mrtcat

[quote name='deanovw' post='1186630' date='Apr 3 2011, 12:01 PM']I agree with ironside1966, every situation is different.

What size bass bins are you using?
How much power is driving them?
Are you using an active crossover?
What about mid range speakers and crossovers?

This may all have an effect of how the kick and bass eq affects the sound of the band.[/quote]

Thanks chaps for the help so far. To answer the above:

Bass bins are Bill Fitzmaurice Tuba 30s
Power comes from a behringer EP2500 for subs so there's about 700watts per cab available but rarely need to turn up beyond about 30%
Using a behringer crossover and then subs have their own eq before the signal hits the amp.
PA tops are Bill Fitzmaurice DR280s powered by a behringer EP1500

As you can see it's a substantial pa system and sound quality is brilliant although the DR280s require lots of eq ing.

Can anyone offer some advice on how you eq bass and kick drum at the mixer when doing this. I have previously boosted the lows and low mids lots on both usually with good results but last night was a bit off and I was struggling to get enough punch in the kick. Bass sounded good with lots of low end grunt but not sure If I'll need to give up some of that for the kick?

Any help welcomed.

I personally will only go to see either big name original acts (where I know and like plenty of their stuff) or a covers band. Original bands (especially at pub level) rarely float my boat. There's a venue here that snobishly says "we only do original bands here". That venue has gone bust 3 times in two years.

I understand however that we need people and venues who like originals bands or new bands will never break thru. I personally am happy for someone else to discover these bands tho.

In answer to the OP's question then the answer is both yes and no. Soooooooo many variables. In certain pubs only covers will draw a crowd and in others only originals will. Some venues will be busy whether there's a band or not. In larger venues covers won't pull enough to fill a venue unless the performance and technical ability of the band is of a very very high standard. Think about bands like The Hamsters. Possibly one of the best pub bands I ever saw who started with covers only and then some good original stuff. They moved to larger venues after almost 20yrs of plugging away at pubs and teaming up with some bigger names they filled bigger clubs but to me they reached their limit. A good originals outfit can go on to Wembley stadium if they get it right.

As people rightly acknowledge a decent tribute act can pull a huge crowd. Tribute acts are a funny thing tho as they get the benefit of the reputation of the band they cover and then their own reputation on top. It's no wonder so many quality musicians do the tribute thing.

Another fine case of horses for courses methinks

[quote name='ben604' post='1181021' date='Mar 29 2011, 05:01 PM']Hello! Does the mixer come with the rack mount ears?

Cheers,
Ben.[/quote]

Hi Ben,

I don't have official Behringer ears but I do have some home made ones that I used for it. They're not beautifully crafted pieces but they do the job.

Cheers

Tom

Sat night's set was:

Gimme Some Lovin - Spencer Davis Group
Are You Gonna Go My Way - Lenny K
Day Tripper - Beatles
Addicted To Love - Rob Palmer
Bartender - Stereophonics
La Grange - ZZ Top
Rosalie - THin Lizzy
Hard To Handle - Black Crowes
Alive - Pearl Jam
Paint It Black - Stones
Roadhouse Blues - Doors
B Born To Be Wild - Steppenwolf
Black Night - Deep Purple
Paranoid - Sabbath
Rosie - AC/DC

Set 2
Hush - Deep Purple
Last Nite - Strokes
Dancefloor - Arctic Monkeys
All The Small Things - Blink 182
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd
Bad Moon Rising - Creedence
Long Way To Top - AC/DC
White Wedding - Billy Idol
Buck Rogers - Feeder
Sharp Dressed Man - ZZ Top
Tie Your Mother Down - Queen
Sex On Fire - Kings Of Leon
Honky Tonk Women - Stones
Summer Of 69 - Bryan Adams

Oh yeah we also did Happy Birthday To You for someone but it's not on any set list.

IMO bass player should always be stage left unless drummer is a leftie in which case reverse it. Makes eye contact etc easier as there's less cymbals in the way and most drummers don't sit perfectly straight as they tend to angle very slightly towards snare and hi hat. If playing with two guitards it's always best to split them to either sides of the stage to stop their egos banging together and starting fisticuffs.

Speakers are now taken but the mixer is still very much up for grabs. Will include power lead.

One song as an encore is acceptable if punters really want it. After that I just tell them if they want more then come to our next gig. Then point them in the direction of the mailing list sign up so they know when next gig is.

Right clearout time.

I have two Peavey PV215 main pa cabs to go. They're well gigged and pretty roadworn but they're in 100% working order. Our band name is sprayed on the grills but could easily be sprayed over.
They have 2 15inch drivers and a horn in each cab. They have served me very well and at this price they'll be a bargain for someone.

SPEAKERS SOLD PENDING USUAL

Im after £60 for the pair collected. Can't post as they're way to big and postage will probs cost more than they're worth.

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Also up fpr sale is our Behringer mixer. It's a Behringer UB2442 FX-Pro. Basically a pretty basic mixer with built in effects. Behringer say it's a 24 channel mixer but that's crap. There are 10 mic pre ins and a few stereo ins that make it a 12 channel. All in full working order with no issues. Been well used and has proven very reliable. A new Mackie mixer makes this one redundant. **After £50 for this too**(price dropped). Could post for an extra £20 but prefer collection.

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I'll knock £10 of if you want the lot. Very happy to demo both working just PM me and let me know when suits. I'm in Oxfordshire just off M40.

Kinda expected the "credit debate" but like has been said it's each to their own. Some people use credit cards, some have mortgages, some buy cars on finance and nobody frowns at that even tho they all incur interest. Martin Lewis has always encouraged interest free deals as long as you're responsible.

Seems some retailers are more flexible than others as to what you can take the finance on with some sticking to the instrument only. I guess this thread should have been titled "what peices of kit are people craving?" the mention of finance has kind of distracted a few people.

Everything in your target genre is do-able with enough practice. We find that Paranoid by black sabbath bridges many age groups and is mega simple. Blink 182's all the small things is pretty easy too.

Here's the crimbo tune I was talking about:

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I gather def leppard chap uses plenty of pedals. I love tha fact that he not only play but he plays really well!

Check out bill clements on youtube. He's incredible and a total inspiration to all. There was also a christmas tune on this forum played by a chap with one arm. He outshone Mark King if I recall (floodgates open!!)

[quote name='4 candles' post='1175219' date='Mar 24 2011, 08:57 PM']some advice. If you cant afford it now. then you cant afford it.

advice 2. out of debt, out of danger

advice 3. never a beggar or borrower be

advice 4. a great bass player can make a cv squire sound better than a poor player with an Alembic

Just my 2 pennies worth

Regards

Mark[/quote]

Wise words indeed. I am very anal with money and very in control so to me it is a very useable method for aquiring needed kit.

[quote name='Lozz196' post='1173736' date='Mar 23 2011, 07:47 PM']As an Ampeg fan, I`ve been more than happy with my TC Classic 450.[/quote]

Traded an Ampeg SVT6pro (1100w @ 4ohm) for a TC Classic 450. The TC is far far better and can dial in any sound from gritty to warm to clean very easily. It puts out an alarming amount of volume too (never had it past half way and seems much louder than the ampeg) and is super light.

I had a 700RB and it was great - kinda regret selling it. Also not a bulky heavy amp when compared to the competition so I'd go with that if it were me.

SM57 all the way for me. I generally have that clanky middly live sound and a kick mic just doesn't cope that well with it.

Niiice choice. If it were me I'd get a shop to order one in and put deposit down b4 end of the month so I could qualify for the interest free.

*mrtcat is not advising anyone to take out a loan or credit deal and therefore accepts no responsibility for people who gets into financial trouble and whatnot*

Some people just don't have stage charisma. Our singer has a cracking voice but has no mojo. The drummer and I do all the banter which is ok but would be killer if our singer could lead the line!

Lol should have explained better. What I meant is:

If you're over 25 what are you gonna get using Take It Away before the window of opportunity closes at the end of this month?

I'm real sad to lose this service as I've used it lots - it has also really helped me boost my credit score to pretty much the highest level.

Following on from jonthebass's thread about the end of the Take It Away scheme for all over 25's I thought I'd find out what people want for their last interest free supper!

I just picked up a Mackie Onyx 1640i mixer from PMT in Oxford so I'll be recording gigs from here on in!

Let us know what you're after!

Nah, could get a new one for that money

I personally had GAS real bad for ages and kept changing but it genuinely was because I wasn't totally happy with what I had. Some amps sounded good but were very complicated, some were very heavy and some were just crap. I eventually spent some serious money on a really nice amp / cab and the gas has been gone ever since.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that for me I should have bitten the bullet and stumped up for a quality rig right at the start rather than do the keep trading up as it has cost far more in the long run.

To the OP - it's really cool that you found your perfect amp but I might suggest that most on here would be pretty stoked to have some nice aguilar kit behind them too

[quote name='Jambo10' post='1174015' date='Mar 23 2011, 10:39 PM']Im thinking your chat is long overdue!![/quote]

lol having just re read my own post I'm inclined to agree

Do it!!!

There's rarely the perfect time to get out there. Don't worry about gear people won't worry about that initially. Age won't matter to most and a keen 18yr old will be a breath of fresh air in many bands.

Good luck