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[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1318773443' post='1406003'] why is it most modern worship songs have the basis of u2s with or without you in there somewhere ? [/quote] You can blame the writers.. Sometimes bass hasn't really been thought about in the writing process, so it's becomes an afterthought. That's the only way that will happen

When I used to go to church, I enjoyed making up new versions of existing songs or use other bands interpretation of songs [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAZd3mMeKBY[/media] (from 0:42) or from 1:00 (if you don't want the long intro) I remember learning this.. tricky tune, but great on drums or bass [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8UPjitYVEQ"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8UPjitYVEQ[/url]

great example of technique/groove/improv working wonderfully together

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1318457407' post='1402581'] I appear to have neglected my own thread It is difficult to turn your back on a band, sort of better the devil you know than the not having a devil at all. Finding a band is difficult enough, so sometimes we're inclined to try and make the best of a bad job. I've definitely found that whilst being in a band there seem to be more opportunities to form something new. Also I'm reluctant to be the one to make the first move, just looks like you're just a quitter. However, I've not been sitting around idly. I'm actively looking to put something new together. Quitting is just a question of when, and will be very much of my choosing Thanks [/quote] The sooner the better.. nothing worse than going to a practice, thinking ' what I'm I doing here '

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1318346576' post='1400933'] I never get paid for gigs so should be fine. I asked if it would be covered in the car and at rehersals and gigs, and they said yeh if I take out the extra cover which was £30ish. I do often worry as they can tell you whatever they want on the phone if you don't read the small print (which I CBA to do). [/quote] You really should check the small print... I've seen where people have been paying insurance for years then find when they need to claim and they couldn't. Bad insurance is no insurance.. either make sure you're covered or save your money and take the risk.. on the MU front, they are a but of a pain, but they are good at getting you money when you get ripped off for a gig or general legal advice.. reminds me (must renew Mu)

If you're not enjoying it and not getting paid.. Stop.. life is too short. Quit, and find something else and in the meantime, practice at some play in a jam session I only do gigs that I hate that are paid and if I want/need the money, or I don't do it. Bands are like pets: some live long, others don't. Don't carry around a died fish or you'll smell

[quote name='chaypup' timestamp='1318338705' post='1400774'] On a related subject - is 3 months long enough for a horn section long enough to learn a set with reading the parts? Or am I being harsh? [/quote] All the horn players I know would do that in a day.. they have to read it not memories it. The only issues is when the parts are wrong

[quote name='mrdreadful' timestamp='1318339108' post='1400788'] Sometimes, and I get this might be a bit of a radical notion, stuff happens unexpectedly! Also, there are a lot of things that are ongoing and can't just be put aside (like having kids, for example). As for the "preciousness" of time when you actually have enough free time anyway to do things like being in a band: First World Problems, innit? I'm not saying people should just be allowed to flake out whenever they want, but that people should consider the reasons why they did before bitching about it, 'kay? [/quote] it's all about balance. I think the beef people are have are with the offenders who constantly don't do stuff not the one off then it couldn't be helped. For me if it's paid work, the it's like a job/work.. you do it or I get someone else. You don't put tell you boss excuses about not completing that report in the office so no different for a gig, but also for a gig that's not paid the balance and mutual respect card has to be played. For 'Hobby' style stuff communication and notice is the key. If a band member always shows the kids, too busy, ran out of time card, maybe they should find a band more fitting to their level of commitment..

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1318335330' post='1400686'] Exactly! I'm not saying you should live together or anything, but it's only three numbers for Christ's sake! How long would that take you? Eh? Answer me! [/quote] +1 I think it comes down to the agreement of the band. For me I like to agree what's expected and that's what we do regardless of it being paid or not. It's mutual respect for the rest of the people who have taken their time to learn the song in the. Just say during the rehearsal before 'i'm not gonna have time to learn all these'.

In reality I think tuners are great and like about 90% of us I have the boss pedal for easy quick tuning. It's great for beginners so they can be in tune and also prevents those players who 'think' they can tune their guitars by ear. The only the only slight problem I think may arise is that someone who has always used a tuner, might struggle noticing if something is out of tune or in tune without a tuner.. or that might just be that person.. The reason I bring this up is that you don't see classical musicians running around with a digital tuner and even when they play with modern 'tuned' instruments they don't have a problem.. Then again the more I think about if the person listens when they tune their instrument, they should be reasonably good at noticing, right?

[quote name='Beefyeggo' timestamp='1318185585' post='1399001'] Hi... even though I have large hands I have short, stumpy fingers and finding it a bit of a strecth on my current (34" bridge to nut scale) bass. I think a shorter scale would make life easier for me. I have been offered a Westone Thunder 1A active bass in a trade deal for a watch. I've done what research I can and they seem to be very well regarded basses in the £100 price bracket so that's not an issue - however I am unable to find out the scale. Can anyone help please? Rob ps - Second time trying to post this thread. If it's a duplicate please bear with me... I am hopeless with computers. [/quote] I'm sure there's a bass geek that knows this

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1318259884' post='1399793'] Yep. You need to realise there is a big difference between a drummer, and a musician who can drum. [/quote] I don't think you know what a drummer is. A drummer is a musician. Someone who plays the drums isn't a drummer. They just happen to use a drumkit

nice Thumbs up..

[quote name='bungle' timestamp='1318254387' post='1399697'] FWIW, my quip about the drummer writing songs was a comment on a little foible of the drummer of my band. He's the best drummer I know by some distance, having got a degree in drumming and teaching for a living. He contributes hugely to songwriting in terms of really interesting beats and ideas for arrangements, it just so happens that on the occasions he's tried bringing us a song he'd written on guitar they've been rubbish! Who knows, maybe one day he'll turn up with a brilliant song - regardless I still intend to be in a band with him! [/quote] OK Ok.. I think the drummer thing is getting a bit outta hand.. I think the issues you speak with drummers is like any other musician is if they don't know their instrument and more importantly how it relates to music or even understand music. It really annoys my when people think that a drummer only knows about time and 'beats'. If the drummer is a musician he/she will have an understanding of pitch, notes, chords and arrangements to some degree as well as time. I'm actually a drummer, bassist and guitarist (ish) and I think drummers fall in the same hole when they don't learn the basics of music which actually includes pitch and the relation to other music. When I taught drums, I'd always encouraged my students to play pitched instruments as it turns them into a musician rather than a drummer. I also relate things to pitch and melody as well as time in lessons. I think as bassist we gotta think how many times people say 'playing bass is easy, there's only 4 strings' and 'just play the root notes and shut up, you don't even play chords'. Rant over.. I know most of this is a joke, but maybe the drummer side of me is getting sensitive

When you're the dep bassist and you spent hours learning the songs perfectly, you nail the first 5 songs and you're relaxed.. you start the next song and the band are playing something completely different to you.. You look at the guitarist in horror and start playing root notes to cover up all wrong notes... you're a nervous wreak. You speak to the original bassist about the gig the next day.. ' oh didn't I tell you we play that revision?' grrr

[quote name='ROConnell' timestamp='1318228114' post='1399301'] When a drummer goes: "Yeah try that in a different key." Shut up. [/quote] Er as someone who also plays drums and guitar, I've had to say that, as the rest of the band couldn't seem to realise the singer couldn't handle the key.. not all drummers are stupid!! well except me..

[quote name='Blademan_98' timestamp='1317233612' post='1388517'] Me Too +1000000000 I have never turned down a paying gig and don't intend to. If someone wants to pay me to play, I will take the money and give the best performance I can within their remit. [/quote] I think this the actual point of this thread and most people have missed it. If you are getting PAID, and you want to get paid again, you do what you're told by the client.. simple as

[quote name='chris_b' timestamp='1317134027' post='1387155'] [size=4][color=#222222][font=Arial]There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding from certain posters here about who is in charge when a band is playing a gig. [/font][/color][/size] [/quote] It's tricky in some cases.. if you are hired by the venue = you do what you're told by the venue If you are hired by a client who is using the venue = it's more tricky. Your contract is with the client not the venue, but the venue is the boss of the place. I always say to the client, that the 'venue' wants us to do x, which usually put the burden on them not us. I've only had real sound issue when client hired a loud rock band in a pub as small as coffee and didn't tell the landlord they were bringing a band !! We got shouted at by the landlord and we had to say 'please talk to our client'. The client didn't care wanted us to play. We ended up call our agent to clarify to the client, that we can't play because they haven't given us a 'reasonable' environment to play at. We ended up doing an acoustic gig, which the owner was still a bit weird..

Another good thing about paid gigs is that if it's cr4p gig you can at least think of the money

You know when you do a good job as a bad.. it's when you get called back... If you're being paid it's business, also if you are a bit loud and sound good, people won't complain. When you are a moderate volume and sound terrible or don't connect with audience, it's just noise

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1317111373' post='1386726'] We did a wedding a couple of years ago, somewhere up north IIR. It was in a small marquee at the back of a pub. At first the landlord seemed like a nice bloke, a bit of a wide boy but friendly enough. He did get the staff to ask us to turn down a couple of times during the first set and we tried. We turned our sub off, took all instruments out of the small PA and did turn down. We really weren't that loud though, and you could here people talking at the back of the marque during intro etc. In to the second he stormed over and pulled down every fader on our desk, mid song, and in front of the wedding party who were in full swing. He started to have a go at us and when we argued that we were there to entertain the guests and couldn't go any lower he told us to do it or pack up and go home. He said, in a loud voice, its my pub, i dont care about anything else, you do as i say. The wedding party were very apologetic, but we didnt make a fuss as it was their day but what a ass hole this guy was. [/quote] If the guy had done that my wedding the landlord would get no money from me.. I think he's forgotten the way you can make money.. keep the client happy. Even if he thought it was loud, he should have dealt with it better than that

I've I'm not too late PLEASE ADD Me Pretty Please. Lee (Blackheath), London

Nope, but I'm very interested the answers. I use Allianz Music and pay monthly