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[quote name='MoJo' timestamp='1479639311' post='3177966'] I was going to say, isn't a considerable part of the 'stingray tone' down to it's electronics? I had a passive OLP some years ago. It had the pickup in the correct position but sounded nothing like a stingray [/quote] A major factor is the position. If you don't get the position right, forget about it. Electronics will fine tune the sound. First and most important the pickup. A jazz pickup in the correct spot reminds you of a Stingray but it's not quite that, presumably largely because they're so narrow compared to a MM. A precision pickup in the right spot is MUCH closer... but still not quite there, although when you hear it the Stingray signature sound is there (all this comes from some experimentation I did a while ago using an old OLP body). The preamp then allows you to get the range of tones that a Stingray can get... but does not *make it* a Stingray. My Stingray has a bypass switch. In passive mode it is unmistakeably a Stingray. I owned 4 OLPs in total... and they varied, but the Stingray "flavour" was there, without doubt. The stock pickups were not great and were ceramic, but they largely sounded like something that belonged to the Stingray family (if you used both coils on, in the OLPs that were wired with each coil individually, if you only used one of them then it loses it). I sold one of the OLPs fast as it was not very good, but kept three for years. They all had replacement pickups and put preamps on them. I was a big fan One of them had a Seymour Duncan SMB4A (alnico, parallel, as a Stingray) and the partner Duncan 3-band preamp. It did not sound like a classic Ray but it was a Stingray sound nevertheless... just a bit... punchier and 'modern', more refined. It was awesome, but I preferred my Stingray. Another had a Nordstrand MM4.2, which is supposed to be a close copy of the original, and a 2EQ preamp taken from my Stingray (I have a MMSR John East, as it's a similar 2EQ based on a 76 Ray + a delicious semiparametric mids module)... that one was most definitely a Stingray sound. I defretted it and later sold it... I wish I had kept it. The third one has the SMB4A pickup again and a copy of the original 2EQ preamp... and it was very much a Stingray in sound too, althought that pickup is like a Stingray pickup that went to the gym a bit So, there are a number of things that contribute... of which I think the position is the most important one and you can't compensate for it by electronics. If you get the right kind of pickup in the right place... the sound you get is definitely "Stingray family" and very recognisable, even if it's not quite a Stingray. Sometimes it could even be NICER than a Stingray, depending on your taste, I suppose. The preamp is the thing that matters the least, but if you consider the versatility of the Stingray and how different people have recorded with one to produce very different tones... you're probably going to want a similar preamp to reproduce all those tones, but it'll sound like a Stingray regardless... that's why both 2EQ and 3EQ Stingrays still sound like a Stingray regardless.

[quote name='Skinnyman' timestamp='1479655423' post='3178149'] Basically, yes. Order online via their website choosing the options you want (I got corded and had my name lasered on to them. Although, in hindsight, that may not have been necessary. I mean, who else's ears would they fit, right?).They send you a voucher which you print. Make an appointment with a local audiologist (I used Boots) - ACS have a list on their website. Give them the voucher, they squirt stuff in your ears, let it set and then they remove it to send to ACS. Wait a few weeks (I think I waited about a fortnight). Enjoy [/quote] Very useful, thank you!!! corded sounds like a good option, I know I'd have lost my cheap ones many times if it weren't for the cord that joins them.

My 2002 2EQ Stingray did have that to some extent... sometimes. My 2003 EBMM SUB with the same pickup and preamp, but wired in series has never felt like that. The Stingray now has a MMSR 3-band preamp. The pickup is very angled towards the G string. It's largely fine. But sometimes it does feel a bit less 'there'. Because it happens sometimes and not always, because it's rare compared to when I was using the stock preamp, and because the series-wired pickup did not have that... I am convinced that the preamp settings have a LOT to do with it. The Stingray can produce a very wide range of sounds, and it can certainly scoop mids like a champ if you want it to, or if you don't realise how the very interactive controls work. So I think that people who have a more scooped tone may experience this "weak G string" more than others who don't. I could be wrong, of course... but I've never liked anything that sounded remotely "scooped" in the mids, and I'm not struggling with weak G strings. When I did have some 'issues', from time to time, I was often amplification provided for me. I almost always use my own gear now, tired of too much inconsistency.

Right! I'm done with my "christmas tree" plugs that reduce the sound but sound pretty naff, so much so that I find myself not using plugs when I think the onstage sound is low enough... but the thing is I'm still closer to the drummer than I should if I'm going to spend so much time exposed to that . I want a set of ACS Pro17... their graphs seem just right. What's the process? You contact them, sort through them an appointment with a local audiologist to get the moulds made... and wait a couple of weeks, or something along those lines, right?

[quote name='Fisheth' timestamp='1479640958' post='3177991'] Same, getting rid of some stuff to fund a new one... [/quote] Ha! I've been slowly getting rid of dead weight... but I wasn't thinking of buying one, really. However... these things happen. "Hello, my name is Jose and I am a bass addict" No, but it's a very sensible proposition (I tell myself). I like the Jazz sound just not the Jazz body or thin neck which has led me to sell most of my Jazz basses until now. I'll just keep the Squier because it's very nice and so cheap that it seems a waste to sell it for the peanuts I'd get. I had momentarily satisfied my Jazz needs by transforming a surplus -yet lovely player- Precision into a Jazz. It went from: to: and finally to: And it's in its last incarnation that I've been using this bass a lot lately, and enjoying it immensely. However, a chance encounter with Hammersmith basses led me to their oh-so-pretty Precision body style with twin J pickups... Like this: and an innocent comment led to my chatting to the guy behind those basses. And the idea of ordering one was born. Their range of options is nowhere near as comprehensive as Maruszczyk... but they pretty much fit my preferences and they were quite flexible when it came to things that mattered... plus the bass could be with me very soon if I ordered now and there was a very good discount applied. However, the communication dried up a bit and I already asked twice for some details that I absolutely need before I push the button. So, with the idea of getting a new bass already firmly planted and funds sorted... it was obvious to think of Maruszczyk again. It is a known quantity and I know they'll do a great job... and there was my plan for a Jazz-like bass that I put aside due to temporary cash flow issues (which led to the creamy beauty above)... so I think I'll probably just move away from Hammersmith, as they can't be bothered, and go with Maruszczyk again. One think I *love* about Hammersmith is the truss rod adjustment: a wheel like on MusicMan basses. And they had a few other things I like a lot... but at the end of the day I have never tried one of their basses, it involves importing from Canada, etc... Maruszczyk seems the safer bet and they do respond. And what about the Precision - Jazz conversion above? Oh, it's being further converted to something I had in mind for ages: I'm moving the neck pickup south, almost to the bottom of the pickguard. It won't sound like a Jazz anymore but that position is pretty cool and unique. So the new bass will be the "Jazz". But... let's wait and see.

They don't appear to have "black periods", which is refreshing. My own 2002 is lovely, and if I haven't liked one I tried it was because it was badly mistreated and poorly setup, no fault of the bass.

[quote name='spencer.b' timestamp='1479638927' post='3177963'] I'm not to picky, I'd take my 66 p bass to any old dive , no stand just leant up against the amp My basses are there to be played [/quote] Mine too... but I want to continue playing them so simply leaning them against an amp is a no-no for me (one of the few times I ignored my own rule, my Stingray fell and got two very annoying dents on the back of the neck idiot ... the dents are no longer there as I eventually took the neck to be lacquered as I prefer the feel and the guy removed the dents first with the old damp/heat swelling method)... I use a Fusion F1 gig bag. It's a very hefty thing, gig bag is not appropriate, it's really a case. I always leave it behind the amps or somewhere else, you can put it upright and unzip one half to take the bass out and put it back... so when I'm not playing it, if it's not on a stand, it is in its case. Small dings etc happen, I'm not terribly worried... but I'll still treat it with care.

The 5-string Squier Jazz DeLuxe V (2-band active, ebanol fingerboard) was a curious animal. Wide fingerboard and string spacing at the bridge, with a bridge pickup mounted pretty much at the MM sweet spot. The electronics and pickups weren't amazing but they weren't bad at all and I think I paid £200 for mine, so a little upgrading would not hurt much. The bridge pickup did not sound like a Stingray, but it definitely had a certain air, purely because of the position. With the right pickup you could get a cool compromise, I bet. And there's always the option to route it for a MM type pickup as it'd cover the existing pickup route.

[quote name='yorks5stringer' timestamp='1479508106' post='3177208'] They cost more because of that subject that is taboo...... [/quote] Ricken...???

[quote name='addictedtobass' timestamp='1479641814' post='3178000'] it worked ! wow what a difference. thank you guys [/quote] glad you sorted it! it's amazing what a difference a humble and thin shim can make!

I feel a third Maruszczyk order forming...

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1479500174' post='3177109'] You'll need an extra help ing of patience with that! When I was young and stupid (as opposed to old and stupid, as I am now) all I wanted was a Fender Precision. I now have three and can't see any reason to change to a different bass. [/quote] And I may sit waiting forever... that would mean you are happy with your basses and that would be wonderful.

[quote name='Wooks79' timestamp='1479482909' post='3176926'] Bannermans in Edinburgh is a great venue and has always been a pleasure to play. [/quote] it's a bit of a dive, but with a cool personality In addition check out Banshee's Labyrinth just around the corner from Bannermans. Small but it would be suitable. Opium too. You can also try Stramash. Same people as Whistle Binkies and same kind of deal, but the venue is a lot more interesting.

[quote name='FinnDave' timestamp='1479489255' post='3176984'] No chance, I'm perfectly happy with my Precisions. [/quote] I'll save this message to show it to you and laugh in your face at some future date Don't subestimate the power of the (dark) 'Ray! (I used to hate Stingrays... ugly things, and they didn't even sound that good... today it's almost all I use... you just never know what the future will bring )

[quote name='BassBunny' timestamp='1479426535' post='3176546'] Audi and Skoda is part of VW/Audi so you get the same engine, floorpan, gearbox etc. in either a VW, Audi, Skoda or SEAT. Just different badging. [/quote] They're all related and much of it shared, but there are subtle differences which makes the cars drive/feel differently. My A3 and my friends Octavia both have the same 1.4 TFSI engine, but the gearbox is clearly different having driven both, with different ratios etc. So much of it is interchangeable, but they don't really build one model just like the other. Which is good as it gives you different options to choose from (I'm not talking about optional equipment etc, but the basic car). Similar my sister's Seat Leon, a couple of years older than my A3 but from the same generation, handles completely different too. Again, not saying which one is better... they're just different.

[quote name='cameltoe' timestamp='1479425747' post='3176537'] For a time I think this was pretty much correct. I know the JV domestic series had different price points with the domestic range badged as Fender and the exports marked as Squier. I've played both Fender and Squier badged MIJ E-Series (1984-89 ish) and they were almost exactly the same spec and almost identical to play, with the Squier slightly edging it. I guess it depends how authentic you really want to be- are the MIJ's strictly Fenders? MIM? Chinese? Strictly speaking there's no reason a Chinese Fender should be any more 'a Fender' than a Chinese Squier. [/quote] The thing is, on an ad title, you want to see an accurate description without superfluous details. Otherwise searching becomes very inaccurate, and nobody who wants a Fender will stop to buy the Squier... unless you search for both, or the actual guitar model name, or... but you have options, if the titles are accurate. Does it have a big Fender logo? (from factory )Then call it a Fender. Is it just mentioned in smaller font? Then tell me what the big logo says. Simples Now, on the description... feel free to tell me all about it and its heritage and mention Fender as much as you like. You may disagree, of course, but you'd be wrong Edit/disclaimer: and none of my arguments reflect a judgement on Squier's quality or anything. I've owned a bunch of Jazz basses, for instance. In the past 12 months I have sold 2 Fender 75RI, 1 Fender roadworn, and I'm about to sell my third 75RI. I'm only keeping one Jazz bass. Well, two... one just for sentimental reasons because it was my first real bass made by Vintage. It plays and sounds great (changed pickups) but the neck is far too thin even for a Jazz... I have gigged with it but not my favourite bass to play. The Jazz I'm unlikely to sell is... a '94 Korean Squier with plywood body and a delicious neck that just sounds great (Area J pickups). I have nothing against Squier, I have a couple of other Squiers that are pretty cool.

[quote name='Norm' timestamp='1479397759' post='3176243'] I get on with mine but other people have tried it & not felt the love. [/quote] Heathens!

[quote name='matski' timestamp='1479380841' post='3176034'] I see you own a G&L already - the StingRay is going to be fairly similar to that. [/quote] only it won't It really really won't. The L2000 is awesome, I had one for years. But it sounds like... an L2000 flavour of awesomeness that is not close to a Stingray awesomeness.

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1479323895' post='3175690'] [media]http://youtu.be/fAgcjECaX9I[/media] [/quote] not a great demo 'though... too much trebly clang, and that bass can sound so much better

[quote name='ProfJames' timestamp='1479311812' post='3175542'] Been offered one for £700 with just a couple of tiny dings, not been played for quite some time. How good are these basses? I play a Fender MiA Jazz. Is it worth buying? All comments very welcome [/quote] Try it. It's VERY different from a Jazz. You may like it or you may not. But if it's in good condition, that's a nice price.