mcnach

[quote name='deepbass5' timestamp='1454083655' post='2966325'] Can't imagine turning up at an orchestra rehearsal with an electric bass and amp - I think most would frown when you walked in door [/quote] only if you're not bringing an 8x10 cab with you...

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1454081081' post='2966281'] I play in an orchestra! When there is a solo woodwind part the last thing anyone tolerates is a whirring fan! [/quote] can't you just whistle along the woodwind to mask the fan noise?

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1454071785' post='2966080'] Nope - they're pretty much the same. [/quote] Interesting! Thanks

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1454070439' post='2966035'] They're pretty much the same, IMO. Any difference I heard could probably be attributed to the drivers being closer to ear level. [/quote] but did you notice a significant increase in the low end?

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1453989723' post='2965029'] I wish more amps didn't have fans. Fan noise annoys me so much. Tecamp, Demeter and PJB manage it. [/quote] You're not playing loud enough then

[quote name='bassace' timestamp='1454068195' post='2965995'] Was listed under Events? Did Bluejay know? [/quote] I don't think so... it wasn't an... 'event' as such... just three guys (and a girl hostage) making a little bit of noise in one room somewhere in Fife

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1454067739' post='2965982'] Yeah, get a room! [/quote] but we did! and filled it with amps!

[quote name='Muzz' timestamp='1454066960' post='2965967'] Oooooo, a 6 foot ten inch stack just over a foot wide? I'd be looking over my shoulder a lot... It's a Jenga Rig! [/quote] Jenga Rig, love it!

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1454066673' post='2965957'] Especially if stacked vertically [/quote] you know that I *will* try it once in that configuration, right? I'll take a picture... using the panoramic mode in the camera.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1454067071' post='2965969'] Oh, I would absolutely *love* that! You're a star! If you really don't mind, I'd love to be able to use it for a rehearsal, if that's ok. I like what I heard the other day. I'm actually going to be rehearsing with the RATM band in Rosyth over the next 3 Mondays, between 8-10pm. That's not a million miles away from you! Do you think maybe I could meet you one of those days before the practice and borrow the amp? I could then return it after the practice (before 11pm), if you're happy with that. [/quote] erm... sorry... moving to PM.

[quote name='deksawyer' timestamp='1454023713' post='2965669'] Jose, you can borrow the Mesa anytime. Just let me know.... D. [/quote] Oh, I would absolutely *love* that! You're a star! If you really don't mind, I'd love to be able to use it for a rehearsal, if that's ok. I like what I heard the other day. I'm actually going to be rehearsing with the RATM band in Rosyth over the next 3 Mondays, between 8-10pm. That's not a million miles away from you! Do you think maybe I could meet you one of those days before the practice and borrow the amp? I could then return it after the practice (before 11pm), if you're happy with that.

[quote name='largo' timestamp='1454062907' post='2965872'] I've no doubt the S112 would be great in a band environment. Funnily enough when I play with the 5-piece my bass tone becomes very middy to cut through. My only reservation with the little cabs is that I'd rather be able to dial back the bass than not be able to add anymore, if that makes sense. [/quote] There is definitely a limit to how much bass they can produce, and it's less than the 1126 or the barefaced, for sure. But one thing I like about the S112s is that when you boost bass, it stays pretty tight and not boomy at all. However, yes, if you require more deep bass... these may not be the best for you.

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1454063037' post='2965878'] I've yet to run out of steam with either my old S112 stack, or current S212, and I've done plenty o'loud pub gigs with no PA support. That said, I don't play in Sunn O))) - if I did, I'd probably double up. [/quote] How do you compare the 2x S112 vs. 1x S212? Does the S212 retain that midrange character but with extra depth? I noticed the cab is a bit deeper than 2x S12 together.

[quote name='Muzz' timestamp='1454061196' post='2965840'] I'd agree with that: it depends on your requirements - what 212s you're using, and why. If it's for sheer volume then I'd say the Barefaced stuff is well suited to matching volume with smaller cabs (I had a Big Baby 2 for a while, and for a single 12 it would comfortably go bonkers loud: two would cover pretty much any gig volume I can think of), but if you don't push your 2 x 212s hard, and you're looking for smaller, lighter, voiced cabs which sound good, then there's lots of options, of which TKS get a lot of love around here. [/quote] That is true. If you want to reduce size but loud is an important requirement, I'd look at a pair of Barefaced BB2. We recently tested a bunch of cabs, and the Barefaced had no match when it came to volume. Whether you like the sound or not is another matter... some of us loved it, some not so much. I prefer the sound of the S112 and even the 1126 in a way... but with a band it was easier to use the Barefaced or the S112. The S112 just never sounds bad, it seems... and I tried! But if you need a loud rig, a pair of S112, as nice as they are, may not be the right setup. Even 4 of them won't be the rig that will fill a large venue with deep bass... so it really depends on the kind of gigs you play. I have PA support nearly always, so a pair of S112 will do the job very easily. The stages I play are never huge either, and rarely outdoors. The kind of places where I don't have support and I need to rely on my backline have been anything from small bars to large village halls... the larger venues will need a louder setup than 2x S112.

[quote name='AREA' timestamp='1454021018' post='2965642'] I've read alot about those Cabs in here. The Point is, I am planing to get two 1x12" Cabs instead of my two 2x12" Cabs. I'd like to do a little bit of "downsizing". Those Cabs are nearly completely unknown in Germany. I'd be exited about two S112 and I've read a good Review here, but they are so tiny... Can they really handle a 5-String? Thx for your Opinion Tom [/quote] They can, and sound very good in my opinion. They just don't get as loud or as deep as other bigger cabs. Would that be a problem? It depends on what you're after. I'm in the process of letting go several bigger cabs and moving to S112 because I really like their sound. Disclaimer: I have only been an owner of these S112s for a short time, and I have not yet used them for a gig where I rely on them as the sole source of bass... so my comments are based on rehearsals with two bands (one of them very loud) and how I think they'll work on a gig based on that. They can do low, if you boost bass at your amp, and they don't get boomy. They sound very tight with great presence in the low mids, which makes them work very well in a band, for my liking. I don't look for a very deep reggae type of bass, but I like a bass that has body, is punchy, and has good definition. The S112 do it for me. I have a stack of two, and I like how the sound disperses: right in front, at 3 metres, it may seem a little lacking in lows because the midrange is so prominent... but step away from the axis and the sound is balanced and you can hear it quite evenly pretty much anywhere (onstage). They are incredibly light and small, and they get plenty loud for onstage monitoring and small bar gigs, I am sure... but I wish they could have a bit more volume. That's why I just sourced another pair. Four of these are still a very compact solution, and I suspect the extra volume will be enough for those times when I need a bit more. But I have not tested this yet. The 1126 is a lot fuller in sound, deep, and can handle more power. In many ways it could be a better solution, especially if you don't think the S112 has enough bottom end. But I prefer the S112 despite their drawbacks.

[quote name='deksawyer' timestamp='1454028658' post='2965698'] Jose, bassgear have a used Tecamp Puma 1000 - this might suit you, and you could even add another 4 S112's in the future!! D. [/quote] Come on, that would be crazy... (I like it! )

Ok... my general views... Overall my conclusion was: I could be happy with any of them. If it weren't for BassChat I'd probably be happy with whatever I was playing, and would have more money in my pocket... but where's teh fun in that? I knew that the TKS S112 pair was going to appear as a 'meh' proposition. It's just very different to all the others in every way. Tried alone, they sound good. Again some might love it some won't... I do. But they do not have the bottom the others have. If I had not used them already with my two bands (rehearsal only, but loud rehearsal), I would have probably left the room thinking 'nah, the S112s are definitely not for me'. But I do like my mids, and I don't go for a very bassy sound... and these do it for me. Their drawback, perhaps, is they won't get as loud as the others. The bottom end can be dealt with by using EQ. In fact they respond very well to adding bass, they retain definition and not sound boomy at all... but they just won't be able to do that at very high volumes. For a rehearsal point of view they'll work very well. For stage sound, they will probably be very very good: they have enough volume for anything but very large stages and they sound clear and distinct wherever you are. I enjoy that a lot. As a sole source of bass, without PA... it will work in a small bar setting if the band is not crazy loud... but they may struggle if you want them to produce a lot of deep bass. So, they are what they are: very small, very light... and you would not expect earth-shattering lows out of such a small box. I'm going to have another pair of TKS S112, on Sunday, which I'm hoping will take care of the volume issue. Four of these are still a reasonable compact package over all, very easy to transport and pack away, and with the same lovely sound (for me!) just louder. I wish I could try their S212, as it's similar to two S112s, but the box is a little deeper and it is supposed to sound similar just a bit deeper. That looks like a winner, then. The TKS 1126s sounded very big. We tried first the S112 and then the 1126 and that's where I saw some smiles It had a lot more depth, with crystal clear highs... It sounded very good. very very good. I can't believe I am letting the red beauties go! . Using the Mesa, they sounded hefty... Using the Momark, with a good dollop of VLE filter, it was more vintagey with a good amount of midrange. Very good combination for my liking. The Streamliner sounded very clear... but we all had different preferred settings as we all had different goals. The point is that the 1126s can sound very good in a variety of ways. The Vanderkley 210MNT were very very good too. I was very curious because when I bought the 1126s, the other contender was the 210MNT. They sounded remarkably similar. They're about the same size, weigh about the same and both have deep lows if you want them to. The Vanderkley was perhaps a bit more to my liking, actually, as it had a bit more of that midrange character that I love. But Stephen showed that the 1126 could easily do that sound using his MoMark... so there is a difference, but it's a small one and nothing that a tiny bit of EQ would not take care of. I love the look of these cabs. I think the red panel on black looks fantastic. I'm not a big fan of carpet covering, 'though... so after hearing them side by side... I'd probably choose the 1126 over the 210MNT. Both seem to be able to deliver the goods in any gig situation. I've heard what the 1126 can do in a largeish bar with a reggae band, and really, anything they cannot do, it's definitely territory where there should be a proper PA in place to carry the bass. The pair of 1126 fit perfectly in the boot of my A3 Sportback. It's why I bought them (among other reasons, but dimensions were important). Funny enough, Stephen, who owns the Vanderkleys, also drives an A3... but I don't know if they fit in the boot. I suspect they do, I really could not see much different in size between the two cabs. Oh, one more thing.. the tweeter on the 210MNT is very effective and sounds very good! I'm not a big fan of tweeters, but in this case... I'd go for the tweeter version. It has a very noticeable effect across its range, and doesn't sound brittle at all. The tweeter in the 1126 seems a bit unnecessary to me: the 6" speaker gives them an extended response that makes the tweeter almost useless, I think. You can hear what it does, but it's only in the very top end... and it's not something I care for. The Barefaced pair... they didn't look as nice as the others. I love the logo! But while I don't have an issue with the finish itself, compared to the others they did look a little more... 'industrial'. The BB2 is pristine, just dusty, but the Compact has 3-4 small marks that were acquired without needing any traumatic experience... that finish may be easy to touch up, but it is also easy to damage. I did not have a cover for it for the first couple of years, and although I have always been careful, it got a handful of little marks. Nothing much, but between them being a bit dusty and next to amazingly beautiful TKS and Vanderkley cabs... they just did not steal teh show for looks. HOWEVER... how did they sound? Well, that was the second smile moment. They sounded big. And bigger. Incredibly big for their actual size and light weight. They also sounded very good. These don't have the more pleasing sound of the 1126 or 210MNT cabs, on their own... but they have a clearer midrange that works very well in a band situation. It's a good sounding setup that gets as loud as you can expect, and can still get louder, apparently. When trying to push the cabs to their limits on another occasion, I noticed with my Streamliner I could push to the point that you could tell you should probably not push more. That was really loud, by the way. I could never reach that point with the Barefaced... they continued to happily get louder and louder until my amp had no more to put into the speakers. For this reason, I let the 1126 go as I favour the smaller S112 rig... but I am keeping the Barefaced around until I'm satisfied that I don't really need that volume. I'm actually letting the Compact go, because -long story- while two BB2 can be manageable the Compact is slightly larger and makes life complicated... so I'll be keeping a single BB2 for now. If the 4x S112 perform well enough (loud enough!), then I'll probably let the BB2 go, as I do prefer the sound of the S112s. But if not, then I'll let a pair of S112 go and get a second BB2 so that I can have the small and the loud rig. Again, whatever preferences I expressed here... they're not really big. That's why factors like size, or colour!!! become sometime deciding factors: they all sounded good to me, I could live with any of them. The S112 pair is the least powerful, so that one has the caveat that if you need really loud it is probably not the ideal setup for you. But all the other three could work just fine in any setting. Of the three 'loud' ones... I'd probably choose the Barefaced as I know it works well with the bands I play with and I would not worry about volume, while the TKS 1126 works in some settings and not so well in others, for me. But the 210MNT have an interesting midrange as a feature that distinguishes from the 1126, and they might actually give me a nicer sound while sacrificing a bit of volume, which I doubt would be an issue as they don't lack volume, that's for sure. So, like Stephen... I went home thinking I was happy with my choices... but only because I had already experienced the S112 pair with two bands. Otherwise, I'd be thinking that it was either the Barefaced or the Vanderkley for me. But I'd be happy with the 1126 anyway I never got to hear the Tecamp... but it was a very nice looking cab, and much lighter than I expected! Amps... The MoMark sounded dark with a nice touch of midrange. That's the sound Stephen goes for, and it sounds great with his Shuker. I would normally use less VLE and a bit brighter sound... but that's just personal preference. The Mesa was pretty interesting. Deek played a bit with the controls and although he seemed to go mostly for deeper fatter sounds than I would go for... it was clear the amp could do other noises... It's a nice looking amp that packs a punck, and as I just realised, it can do 2 ohm... all of which puts it in the 'amps I should really check out' category. My Streamliner sounded punchy and very clear... but I don't think there was any extreme EQ, Deek If I remember correctly, I did not have the 'extra gain' button engaged... so I start from a clearer tone than when with the gain button pressed in, which is what I see most people do. The input gain was set clean, so there was no extra 'fat' applied. The bass knob was set at around 9 or 10 o'clock as I feel it has a lot of bottom end in the mid position. I was using the mids on the 2.5KHz position and boosted a little, maybe just after 1 o'clock. The treble knob I don't know where it was... it does very little with the S112s... but it wasn't that high as I don't like a lot of clang with my Stingray. But I clearly had teh less 'vintagey' sound of the three My girlfriend sat on the floor (seen behind Stephen in one of the pictures above) listening, and afterwards she told me that we looked very cute taking pictures of our amps and talking about speakers... she started to play bass last summer and she loves bass, but she's not into the 'geeks R Us' society we seem to have here at BassChat and she was a bit disappointed that there was no more real bass playing as opposed to checking sounds... But I had a great time

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1454012234' post='2965488'] They are on Thomanns website already, although not available yet. [/quote] oh, they are, and it's maple with white blocks!!!! Do I need another Jazz? No I don't. I really don't. But...