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[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1453839551' post='2963363'] So the actual answer to the question is simply "because for some gigs we do not have a big enough pa system available so this rig does FOH along with my own monitoring, sorry I didn't realise it was too loud out front muddying the overall mix, I'll turn it down. Any chance of a bit of me in this wedge?thanks. :-) [/quote] that's too polite! This is the interwebz!!! what do you think you're doing???

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1453821727' post='2963109'] I'm pretty sure punters can't tell the difference between the sound of a bass guitar and an explosion in a dildo factory. [/quote] another classic line from Discreet!

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1453815708' post='2962993'] Spookily enough you are not the first to say that. Anybody would think I'm a fickle, oooh shiny, buy it, magpie gear whore. Oh, wait a minute.......... [/quote] I guess I'm way down the list now but... if you decide to move them one day I'm also interested

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1453815130' post='2962982'] Shame my 2 x S112's are black tolex or I might have been putting a proposal to you regarding you red fella's We likes red's don't we my preciousssssss [/quote] we likes, we likes. and blue! also black! I think if I get a new pair of S112s down the line, I'd probably go for plain black this time

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1453814889' post='2962973'] Great review! I've pretty much decided that when cash allows I will be getting a pair of these little beauties, but the one thing that concerned me (especially after owning a Barefaced Big One) was the dispersion. You've largely put my mind at rest on that score - so thanks! [/quote] You'd be pleased in that regard for sure The only thing these don't do is insane volume, but don't get me wrong, they get louder than I need for 90% of my gigs at the very least, and the sound is great. There's something about them that just sounds so pleasing (for my taste!)... They sound strong, there's more than enough bass, when you turn up the bass the definition seems to be better retained than with some other speakers... I'm very pleased. It's early days, but I'm very very pleased.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1453820359' post='2963074'] As I've alluded to, it depends upon the gig. You remember a gig somewhat like The Queen's Diamond Jubilee concert - live, very high profile? You reckon for the sake of a DI box you'd take the risk of using an onboard DI? If the amp goes down, it would be the sound guys fault for being a loss of signal, not the amp manufacturers. Besides, you want to maximise the focus on the shoddy singing from the second rate pop stars... Amp failures? Well... that depends upon who made it and if fire takes out the DI. [/quote] No, in a later post you clarified your point nicely. I'd agree with that.

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1453795401' post='2962720'] In any mission critical gig, it will be normal. I'm not talking your average originals venue where a guys DI box is likely to go missing. I played on a live TV broadcast [/quote] well, this is one case where if I can have redundancy to cover my ass just in case, no matter how unlikely, I would go for redundancy... but this is not the usual gig for most here

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1453794232' post='2962709'] If you are sending your bass signal pre eq the first part of your post is irrelevant as their is a requirement for the guitarists amp sound to be captured, not so with a pre eq di. [/quote] my pedals (non dodgy, 'though) go before the amp, and will be present in the preEQ DI...

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1453789425' post='2962686'] ... but they would still be happy to mic up a guitarist using a board of dodgy old pedals and a valve amp with a vastly higher probability of kit failure in the signal chain ??, makes no sense whatsoever. About the lamest excuse for not wanting to take an amp output I've ever heard (and not one I've come across in real life). [/quote] nicely put

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1453752054' post='2962493'] Here's your first problem. Any sound tech worth their salt would never use an onboard DI. The amp dies, so does all direct signal to the desk. Chance of a DI box failing? - very low in comparison. [/quote] it's music, not flying a plane that may crash if something malfunctions... if the amp dies, quick swap to DI box and carry on. How often does an amp fail?

well well well... I still have not gigged these beauties and we're hitting an unusually quiet period with nothing for another two weeks... but I've used them for rehearsals with two very different bands. One is my originals band, a bit of ska/funk/whatever-else (hard to describe), the other is a RATM covers band. I used the Streamliner 900 for both. For the first band, the rehearsal room is not great acoustically and a bit on the small side. I did not push very hard, it was not very loud... but it sounded very good from the start. I found them less toppy than say the BF BB2 and TKS 1126, but it's not necessarily a bad thing: there was enough treble for me and they never felt brittle no matter what I did. Now, the bottom end... on the Streamliner I always reduce lows a lot... and I still did it here. They may not sound anywhere as big as the 1126, but it fits better with the kind of sound I want. I've never been a big fan of a very bass-heavy bass, and these speakers just work so well!. I tried boosting to bottom end to see how they reacted and... as JTUK said, if you want bass just turn it up, these speakers will get bassy if you want them to. I had a great time with them, and I loved how easy they were to handle: they're like a feather, compact, easy to navigate with a pair of those through staircases and lifts and loading and unloading... Now, the second band, Radge Against The Machine... this was out of town in a bigger room. A very nice room. Big, good sound... and we were loud because guitar boy just can't turn down, however for RATM music it is ok if it sounds ok. Often it's mush in small rooms with crappy battered bass amps. This one was very very very good. Loud rocky band, I got to use a wide range of sounds, with various overdrives, wah pedal, fingerstyle and slap... and, frankly, we have never sounded as good as this. We've sounded good, but with the little S112s I got a very warm yet with lots of definition kind of sound. I had to experiment a bit with the amount of bass cut from the Streamliner to get it right... and walking around the room it was clear that these speakers are going to be great onstage. If I stand right in front of them a few metres away, there's a lot of midrange/treble and makes it sound perhaps a bit bass-shy... but just move away from the axis and the sound is very balanced and very uniform pretty much wherever I am. I pushed them harder with RATM. I want to see how loud they can get but I was a little afraid because the amp is supposed to be able to put out more than the speakers are designed for, and as I often used some overdrive I was afraid to not hear 'warning noises'. It's clear they don't have the volume, or anything remotely close, to what my Barefaced speakers have. They also don't sound anywhere as big as the 1126... but I like them best of all. It's the first set of speakers I can say I *love*, straight away. I've disliked a few, and liked others... but loved? None so far. Until now. They're probably loud enough for anything I need but I can see how they may come a little short in certain situations (that I am infrequently in), which is why I want to keep a set of the bigger ones (I decided to keep the BF set). However, a crazy idea is forming: sell the whole lot except for the two S112s, and if I feel I need more volume... get a second pair of them or a S212 (I like individual S112s because they are so easy to carry and pack in the car etc, better than a larger cab). Four S112... I'd have to wire them as two sets resulting on a final 8 ohm load, so the amp won't be pushing as hard as it could, but the extra speakers might compensate for that and more, as long as the amp is powerful enough... Aaanyway, that crazy talk is just that, crazy talk, for now anyway... let's see after a few months how things are going.

[quote name='bonzodog' timestamp='1453320874' post='2958482'] I will probably be in a minority of one here but I, and I'm sure my two band mates are the same think about the gig before the money. If it's a party it will probably be a good night so we would be happy with £50 each. We've done loads of party's for friends of friends on the cheap. I've spent 15 years playing in boring clubs where I only did it for the money. Nowadays I'd happily play for a low fee as long as I enjoy it and I see people enjoying themselves to our music. Life is short so I want to play as many good gigs as possible. [/quote] I kind of agree. Our fee is usually a reflection of a balance between hassle/fun. The more towards fun a gig is, the less we are willing to charge. As a result we do play a few free gigs and we never play *just* for the money... but do charge as a compensation for our inconvenience at the very least. A birthday gig like the OP's could be fun and we could do it for £200 easily. But some of those parties are not that much fun. At least not to everybody in the band. And do you always know in advance what kind of gig it's going to be? Best to charge first, and you can always say when it comes to collect the money "you know what? we had so much fun, let's call make a discount". That way you look even better. There's no way you can play for a small fee and at the end of the night say "you know what? we're bored, tired and hungry... we decided we need to be paid extra"

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1453301770' post='2958249'] So the birthday chap has found out your band charge £200 for pubs and wants the same deal? If he only wants to pay your 'pub' price you could give him a pub set. Turn up at 8pm set up, do 2 sets and leave Maybe ask him what he's expecting. If he's wanting more than a pub set then explain the price goes up (and maybe suggest he asks how much a DJ would cost all night) Personally, I don't get involved in that mates rate stuff. I was asked to do a party for someone's mate once and they didn't want to pay anything. I was told there'd be food and drink in it for you. The thought of a buffet and cola all night made my stomach turn. I said I was busy. [/quote] +1 that's another thing... sometimes they will make sure you have food and drinks. They see it as your being invited to the party and that you'll enjoy it. But I can usually do without the food and I'll be driving so... no drinking for me. Some party! But they just may be completely unaware of how it is for you.

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1453298090' post='2958208'] I wouldn't have thought there was much you can do once the guy has been told how much you go out for in pubs - in his mind there isn't going to be much difference. Fault lies with the guitarist, so make him do it for free and then split the £200 one less way. [/quote] That sounds like a good lesson Frankly, the thought of doing a gig like that where you're stuck hanging around for hours and hours makes me shudder. The guy whose even is may just think about the time you'd be playing without realising that it involves a lot more than that, arriving early, setting up, checking... and being held hostage leaving late. There may be a polite way to educate him as to what the gig would actually involve for you. A pub gig is a lot simpler and easier, hence the lower fee.

[quote name='Lee-Man' timestamp='1453393149' post='2959108'] Yeah, I'd echo that. They are genuine, if a little disorganised. I might be popping in on Saturday, if you need me to chase feel free to drop me a PM:) [/quote] They do seem disorganised. I wanted a CIOK power supply a while ago and I was enquirying whether they had that particular model or not... I gave up.

[quote name='4stringslow' timestamp='1453425501' post='2959496'] Bit surprised there is no criminal case to answer - surely there is fraud (by the boy) or criminal negligence (by the shop)? Still, seems like the right outcome; bass back to dad and the purchase refunded. A sad story really. [/quote] It sounds to me like the father just wants to be difficult because he feels wronged in some way, and probably the kid is just in the middle... sad, indeed. I'm not sure you could call fraud... father says he loaned the bass, kid says it was a gift... it's not like they'll have receipts. Best to walk out and not be splashed by any of it.

[quote name='Ashweb' timestamp='1453407469' post='2959321'] Wow, thanks for all the replies. For all those that have asked, the bass is a Jackson C-20 and I paid £98 for it on ebay. A bit of a bargain I think. I spoke to the shop today and the bass is definitely going back. The father saw the bass (and an effect pedal on a different auction) on the ended listings on eBay and stormed into the shop demanding it back. After being informed of it being dispatched he reported the matter to the Police who spent time with the shop owner and concluded that there was no criminal case to answer but as said above there would be a civil case between estranged father and son (13y/o I believe, same age as my son). I'd get absolutely no pleasure from playing this now, knowing that a 13y/o boy has been criminalised by his own father for making a simple mistake; the shop is paying for a courier to pick it up and giving me a full refund so they will be left out of pocket over all this. It's just one of those bad situations that will only get worse the longer it drags on and frankly some battles just aren't worth fighting. Already looking into others to replace it... now that in itself is fun [/quote] Sounds like the best course of action... too messy, not worth it. Don't get involved in that family's bickering...