mcnach

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1356002637' post='1905466'] I can't beleive this thread is still going, and people are still attempting to argue with facts! Fair enough if you like the qualities of vinyl, but you can't say that it's inherently "higher quality" than CD, unless of course you want to ignore all the science. [/quote] Besides... what good is a totally faithful reproduction system, if the original product is not that good? I mean, a lot of the mix/production work I hear is not exactly awe inspiring. Is it just me, or are there really too many "producers" that put out a not so good sounding product, compared to say 20-30 years ago?

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1356001541' post='1905454'] I already did say, & also clarified that it's not just you; that so many people have come on here about what they enjoy about their vinyl, or their CDs - or various other formats. And all they get back is science, and more science. For the role you have in music ....... you have no soul man, not going from any example you've shown within the limited sphere of these 11 pages of this anyway. Time to dig the Xmas carols out................. on CD................for enjoyment!!!!!!!!! [/quote] science is interesting. Perhaps not for you, but some of us like to know how things work, so please don't dismiss it, just say you are not interested. Nothing to do with soul.

[quote name='4-string-thing' timestamp='1356006084' post='1905533'] I'm struggling to see why anybody would think that any band would need[b] three guitarists[/b]! Surely if the guys ego was so big, he would prefer to be the only guitarist in the band? Then all eyes would be on him when he delivers his solo masterclass! I'd also be pointing out that if he was so good, how come his band haven't played Wembley yet? [/quote] It works pretty well for Lynyrd Skynyrd... and my own band, Sea Bass Kid

[quote name='rubis' timestamp='1355934869' post='1904727'] Why not buy a 2eq which feels right to play and with the money saved, buy a John East 3eq module with the stacked bass/treble plus mid. Then you could swap them around at leisure, especially if you used non-soldered connections, and find the set up which suits your style, amp, gigging situation etc [/quote] This. If you try and like the 2EQ, buy it and save yourself a few £. If one day you feel you could do with a more mid-heavy sound, I'd do one of these: 1) carefully rewire the pickup with the coils in series rather than in parallel. It's a mighty sound. I personally prefer this for the 2EQ. 2) get a John East 3-band, which gives you essentially a 2EQ plus a midsweep module... Then you really have a lot of control over the mids. I have a 2003 MM SUB 2EQ (option 1 above) and a 2002 MM Stingray 2EQ with a John East preamp. The SUB is my favourite of the two. Which brings me to... the old USA MM SUB basses... They were only made between 2003-2006, and they may not be the prettiest... but they're amazing basses for little money (£3-400). My SUB is my #1 bass, that's all I'll say.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1355953319' post='1905047'] We played with a Welsh band that had two bassists and no guitarists. They were really good [/quote] name? I'd love to check them out if they have something online.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355916303' post='1904324'] You could do a Duet? [/quote] that's true, I always say there's not enough bass

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1355915396' post='1904290'] I really want an upright. Not convinced there are enough upright-bass friendly gigs in Edinburgh for two of us though---how's about you take odd weeks and I take even weeks? [/quote] I doubt I'd be brave to try to gig with one for quite a while, so you'd be safe. I tried playing a fretless live, and that was scary enough at first. The upright will require an extra dose of testosterone for me.

[quote name='flyfisher' timestamp='1355914504' post='1904267'] I suppose it depends on the nature of the break but when FF junior broke his forearm they pinned the end of the bone in place while it healed but removed them after about six weeks and he was left with no metalwork. Or perhaps it's a case of bone not knitting back together so well as we get older? Whatever, here's hoping you can start excercising things properly now the cast is off and will soon recover full movement. [/quote] No, no, leave the metal, it's cool... you become a bit more lile... Iron Man. One step at a time Glad it seems to be healing alright. I hope you're back slapping that beautiful Fender-era Stingray soon. The upright move seems a very cool one, by the way. I keep thinking about getting one but I feel it would be too hard and I'd get frustrated quickly. Let us know how you find it, once you can start playing it a bit.

[quote name='Stacker' timestamp='1355838403' post='1903377'] Funny guy. Let me clarify: what made you think that it was suddenly revelant to bring in the subjects of cancer and shootings into this thread? I'm sorry, but please enlighten me. [/quote] seriously, man... chill a bit

[quote name='Stacker' timestamp='1355816295' post='1902980'] Are you telling me an offer of £500 on a vintage 4001 isn't an insult ?? [/quote] a joke, perhaps. wishful thinking too. insulting?

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1355758643' post='1902269'] To be honest you come across in your post as just as deluded and arrogant as this other guy. You've played in the same one band for 12 years, with the same guys from school. You're playing big gigs for big money and that makes you bigger and better than him? Good luck, but there's more to music. TBH, with those big gigs on I'm surprised you have time for your kickboxing. I think you should probably chill out and have a good look at what's going on around you. [/quote] Ha ha why? because he does not want to invite someone who seems to be a bit of a bore to jam with them on stage? then call me arrogant too, because I would do exactly like him even in my much smaller bands. The only way you come up to jam with is at our gig is if you are a personal friend and we invite you.

if you gave your mobile number, you will get updates by txt. Nice touch. Usually it takes 4-5 days for me once they send me the "order processed" email.

[quote name='andyonbass' timestamp='1355511386' post='1899544'] Do you H1 owners set the recording level to auto or adjust it manually? When I had an H1 I missed out on a couple of good recordings due to setting the level incorrectly and I found auto setting would clip into distortion. When I got it right though, it was superb [/quote] I used an H4 and H2, not H1, but same situation. I set the volume manually, but make sure it's low enough. I just get the band to make noise and set it so that it does not saturate. Then lower it further. You can easily bring the volume up later using an audio editor, but you cannot save a distorted recording.

I don't get that, I suspect it's your browser being hijacked by some kind of malware, as the previous response suggests

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1355501816' post='1899358'] mate theres another thread that was about pricing of secondhand stuff, stingrays and warwicks in particular and it's still limping along full of people saying things like "I like stingrays" I like stingray's too" "i think they are very good" "I like their necks" etc etc some threads will go on an infinitium until someone gets compared to a Nazi [/quote] I missed that one!!! I'll loook for it to add that I like Stingrays too!!! although, I feel a bit "dirty", like I cheated on them. I have played my G&L L2000 (with a John East MMSR 3-band preamp) almost exclusively for the past two weeks... and it's got sucha wonderful growly dirty bridge pickup funky tone that I'm thinking it's going to become my main (only?) bass for a couple of bands. I can't believe I'm choosing the L2000 over a Stingray in some situations!

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1355480683' post='1898857'] Vintage and Rare [/quote] aah! thanks!

[quote name='Zenitram' timestamp='1355478909' post='1898820'] It was because you didn't mention what bass it was, and a random leap from 150 to 600 quid seemed odd. Oh no hang on, I wasn't paying attention, as you did mention the bass, but not the make. Or is a "68 jazz bass" very clearly going to be a fabulously expensive Fender. I'm not very up on bass heritage. Sorry. I'm an idiot, either way. And I don't know what V and R is. [/quote] you are clearly not at your brightest today, eh? V and R are letters!!! (note: no, I don't know what V and R is either )

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1355423051' post='1898329'] I think some 'promoters want a bill and their entourage to stay the duration and it is ALL about numbers or perceived numbers. It doesn't matter who puts the money behind the bar as long as there are people that do do so... They would have as many bands on the bill as would fit... as it cuts down the amount of people they have to attract by other means. These sort of 'gigs' are a crock... IMO. [/quote] what he says.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1355403069' post='1897873'] I agee to a certain extent. CDs don't cost a lot. The OP was describing the situation where the audience dissapears before you've even played a note. If you want an audience you need to create a buzz. It's not simple but there are ways. What about pretty girls giving out or selling CDs and talking up the band. I mean if you've got pretty girls giving out CDs then you must be doing something right? I just think it's no good moaning that your potential audience is dissapearing before you've even played a note if you're not interacting with them from the moment they walk in the door. TBH I've seen bands who turn up, soundcheck and then hide in the back room and disappear as soon as they've finished, and I've seen bands who are at the door talking to potential fans as they come in and hanging around afterwards. Which bands get the most fans? If you're the type of band who don't want and don't care about having an audience then the first route is the way to go. BUT I'm yet to meet anyone who purposely goes out to play to an empty room. Just to be clear we are talking about a special situation "multi-band events" and you need to employ special tactics. [/quote] I think the OP was talking about the *members of other bands* in the bill leaving, and he was annoyed by that. At least that's what my responses were based on.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1355390726' post='1897606'] If people leave before you play they don't get exposed to your music and you lose potential new fans. My take on this would be to give out flyers before you play that can be exchanged for goodies (CDs, etc) after you have played. If they leave after your first song, then they don't like you and wouldn't want a CD and you've not lost anything. You then get a strong message if people start leaving during your set or don't pick up a CD after you play. [/quote] I was talking especifically about other bands, not about the people they brought, just the band members themselves. A band is typically what, 3-5 people? so, to me, it does not matter whether they stay or not. I mean, stay if you like what we do, and we will appreciate it, but don't stay because you feel you *need* to support a *fellow musician*. 3-5 people should not impact significantly teh size of the audience. If it does... then there is a problem, but you should not aim to make up the audience numbers simply from other band's members. Of course I agree that the multiband gig has the potential to expose other band's fans to your music. And that is good. It only works when you plan it well, get bands that they are compatible in styles... If one band is some kind of thrash metal and another is synth pop (I have seen that once in Glasgow)... you are unlikely to get much from other band's fans.

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1355358293' post='1897482'] Well yes, if you don't entain the audience they won't stay and won't bring their friends next time. But without the audience there is no one to entertain. So primarily you need an audience and you need to grow and widen that audience because tastes change and your music changes. Fans drift away and new fans come. [/quote] but your audience needs to be larger than that other band or bands who may play on the same bill... substantially larger... so what does it matter whther they stay or not?

[quote name='TimR' timestamp='1355256929' post='1896100'] Unless it's a covers band playing well known good music, 2 hours of live music is about all most people can take. Even at festivals there is something else to do or see. If you're doing an outdoor gig and the weather is nice people will sit on the outskirts and talk etc. I think 3 bands each playing 30mins is enough. I've been to gigs to see a friend's band and stayed to watch the next band (who were dire). I would have left and not waited for the last band if I hadn't known the second band were only on for 30mins. However they overstayed their welcome and at 45mins I was ready to leave. [/quote] some bands play too long if they play longer than one-two songs we regularly play 90min (all originals) and they usually ask us for more... I guess it depends on the band.

[quote name='EliasMooseblaster' timestamp='1355237229' post='1895756'] I agree entirely, it sucks all the life and soul out of a gig when the band before you files in five minutes before they're due on, with all their friends in tow, then vanish out the door the moment they've put their guitars away, taking said friends with them. They must realise it's self-defeating: sure, you may have dragged lots of friends along, but they're not going to [i]keep[/i] coming to see you. [/quote] THAT is the problem. Many of those gigs are based around bringing FRIENDS. Friends that generally only go because you are there, and they will say you rawk... but, would they go to see your band, if you were not in it? That's also not a real audience. A real audience is people who don't know you personally but are there because they like your band already, or they chose to go in and check some bands they did not know. That's also why "promoters" keep putting these crap events, with up to five bands playing 35min each... why so many bands? because they count on each band bringing a handful of "friends", and that way make up enough numbers. If they could get away with 8 bands playing 15min, they would try that too. Those are the gigs I flatly refuse to do. I have done a few of those, and they are pointless, unless you are new and you just want some experience. Fortunately, there are some good promoters, rare but good, who try to hold events that appeal to a real audience, with coherent music styles, bringing some better known bands headlining and adding some "local talent" in the mix... It pays to find out who they are, and make sure your band is visible to them. The other type of crap multiband gig... you don't need a promoter. You can do the work yourselves... it's not that expensive to hire a venue... if it's going to be a crap gig, let it be at least YOUR crap gig

[quote name='Count Bassy' timestamp='1355230691' post='1895606'] And definitely avoid "head-lining" at such events. All it means is that it will be you and a few die-hard supporters left when you go on [/quote] oh, and that too! it also means you will be in first, and out last... The first time I saw our guitarist "and we are headlining!!!" all happy... I wanted to cry and laugh at the same time. Then I said "ok, this time it's ok, next time let me be there when we negotiate the details"

[quote name='Barefootbassplayer' timestamp='1355230038' post='1895596'] Just a general question for you all to consider.....maybe I'm looking back with rose tinted glasses here! I remember playing on bills with 3, 4, 5 other bands ten years ago and turning up, meeting all of the other bands, hanging out and having a laugh and...most importantly...all of the bands would hang around for each others sets and clap and holler and help create a great vibe. Bearing in mind if its a school night or out of the way venue the other musicians could count for half the audience!! Over the past few years I've noticed this decline, bands soundchecking and then leaving the venue only to arrive for their stage time, in some very rude cases actually taking their equipment out of the venue post performance through the audience whilst other bands have been playing. I really enjoy checking out other bands and have seen some really great talent doing this, some who have actually gone on to make names for themselves as well. As well as this we've been able to gig swap, form new bands, share horror stories and make new mates. It just seems a real shame that this side of the 'musicians code', if you like, has fallen away. I actually get a bit annoyed at my fellow band mates when they do this! Am I just grumpy, am I getting old, does this even matter to bands any more? [/quote] what musicians code? I try to avoid these events, but sometimes I end up playing in some, with the originals band. I sometimes watch other bands. Sometimes I don't. Sometimes I have other things to do (like the time I missed another BC's band who played after mine ) and other times I may have seen enough at soundcheck and there's no way I want to inflict that painful experience on myself again. Musicians' code? What does it matter if other band stays or not? Cool if they do. Cool if they don't. I want peope to see my band because they really want to, not as captives. And if you worry about the audience numbers dropping because two bands are not there... then you just don't have an audience anyway. I have at times played and taken my amp away... why would I wait another hour or 90min? If I am not interested in staying to watch the other band... why would I stay? It seems odd to me. How is it being rude? I have also many times provided my amp for other bands. Even in some situations where our band was not the last one. I sometimes do that, others I don't. There is no fast rule. Musicians code? I find that a non-insignificant proportion of band members (in other bands, obviously, in mine they are all great ) are *plonkers*. I do not feel any kind of empathy or affinity towards them only because we happen to have a musical interest in common. There is no musicians code, there is only being decent human beings. That means being polite, friendly, etc. That we do. But some "musicians" seem to have a sense of entitlement that I really do not share. They seem to be the same ones that get upset because you don't stay to see them play. Well, that's their problem. I personally do not hold any grudges towards anybody who does not stay to see my band, I'm just appreciative of the ones who do stay.