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That Joyo discount code thread has cost me a lot of money. First the American Sound pedal. Then the British Sound. That led me to play a lot of guitar lately (I started coming back to it at the start of the lock down)... which led me to miss the sound of two humbuckers... (I had sold all my guitars except a strat and a P90-equipped Les Paul style guitar)... and after managing to sell my car last week, today I welcomed this into my home: Both American and British Sound pedals sound great with that guitar, but the American sound is particularly delicious... I'm thinking I should try to trade instruments with the guitarist/singer in one of my latest projects for a few songs (he used to be mostly a bass player in the 90s)... Effects pedals, amplifiers, instruments, have got a lot better since I was a teenager! back then, I had to spend a lot of money, comparatively, for pretty mediocre gear. I could have only dreamt of overdrives like these back then.

Yup, that's what I use. I bought one that looked reasonable for £8-10 and it's been very useful. For luggage as well as solving the "how much does my bass weigh?" questions. You don't want to arrive to a Ryan Air flight with a suitcase that's 3 grams over the limit...

Well, since the lockdown I've been playing a lot more guitar than usual... and this just happened: My fingers are sore from so much playing those tiny weeny strings

Nice

Ah, that might be it, having to login. I never did. I never registered.

It was the same for me (shrug). In the end I bought the American Sound, and a few days later the British sound one. They're without question the coolest pedals I've bought in years. American Sound is really good on bass, and even better on guitar. British Sound is equally good, but different sounding and I prefer the American Sound for bass. Go on!

Yeah. I get the concern about fakes that look so good that they stand a chance to fool some people... but going after a shop like that is not a very effective, or correct, way to go about it. The shop should have been a bit wiser, 'though, but they're hardly the problem.

really?

This. Humidity etc may be very different at source from what it is where I receive it. Just like I don't expect a bass to arrive in tune, going over it adjusting it to my own preferences is something I would always count on doing. Sometimes, an instrument has arrived nearly there, but it's by chance more than anything. I don't expect to have uneven frets, or badly cut nuts, etc... but set-up? Yeah, I expect to do at least a very basic one on receipt. It's also not a big deal at all. Like buying a new car and adjusting the seat/mirrors for my own driving position. edit: I also very very rarely keep whatever strings a bass comes with. I have my preferences, so I put strings I like very soon after I get the bass (I keep the original strings on initially until I'm satisfied that I'm keeping it). Sometimes those strings mean minor adjustments too, I can't expect a company to guess what strings and gauge I would be using on the bass. (shrug)

No idea, but I like the design of the box

That's exactly what I was going to say. Bass 1 sounds ok to me, I may EQ it a bit differently but it sounds like a P. Bass 2 sounds like someone turned down the mids, which some people may want, but not me, however it's still a Precision sound. :shrug: what pickups & strings are you using on both basses?

+1 Few things take away the 'fun' of a gig as rushing around to set up and dealing with emergencies. We like to set up with plenty of time, so that we also have some time to chill and chat before we start... and if there's a problem, we have a chance to solve it without going crazy. The difference in time between a rushed and a relaxed job is not very much really, but how we feel afterwards is like night and day.

Oh god... I had to endure this very frequently back in the day. It did make me smile when I found out how the whole "asereje" came about

It's one of those days when I end up searching something and becoming a zombie-thread resurrector It's been 9 years since I started this thread, and I decided to write a little update. I had 3 Sue Ryder Precisions when I started this thread in 2011. One to leave as a normal P, one to make fretless, and another for a heavy modification project. Fast forward to 2020, where are we? The normal P ended up with a Wizard Thumper, flats for a bit, then roundwounds. It was a revelation, and this little bass turned me from a "ugh, Precision" into a "ooh, lovely Precision" kind of guy. I sold it years ago, and I have owned various other Precisions since. The beginning of a new era. The project... I never assembled it, and didn't even finish stripping the body (hard work!!!) and I sold it as a bunch of parts. The fretless, however... I still have it and I love it. I bought a 70s style maple board Japanese Fender Precision, but I preferred the Sue Ryder, so out of 4 fretless basses, this is the only one I've kept. With a Model P and D'Addario black nylon tapewounds. It sounds great. Now, I'm about to change the pickup on my reverse-P Maruszczyk Jake. I've put a John East MMSR preamp and the original pickup will go (big poles Delano of some sort, I forget the exact model), as I never loved it, it felt a little too... clear, 'hi-fi', hard to describe. So I am about to put another model P on this one (it'll have black nylon tapes on it too). The Model P is such a great pickup! I'm considering trying a DP127 here, because it would look great, but I know the Model P would suit me well sound-wise... Do I risk it and see what the DP127 is like on this bass? Hmmm...

Personally, I would not bother with it. I've owned only a handful of instruments that allowed be both ways of stringing them, and of those I only really compared two, both Precisions. I can't say I noticed anything. If the difference is supposed to jump at you, well, it didn't for me, so I am in the "whatever difference must be too small to matter to me".

British Sound pedal arrived and it's just as good, but different sounding. For bass I still prefer the American Sound and I'll stick to it, but my Stratocaster sounds beautiful through either. I haven't quite managed that Marshall JCM800 type of sound yet but I didn't investigate a lot yet (I know it's there, I've heard it in a demo): I found a sound I really enjoyed and spent over an hour on my guitar. I'm rediscovering guitar since I got the American Sound pedal...

That looks sooo nice!

Welcome to the light! 1) It depends on the type of gig. For small bar gigs we typically bring our own PA etc, but bass doesn't go through it. For the rest of the gigs, which for me is the vast majority, there's a bigger PA at the venue and yes, my bass is generally DI'd, although on occasion they wanted to give me a microphone AND DI. Most sound engineers have their DI boxes, but they're generally more than happy to use the DI on my amp (Mesa D800+ for the past 3 years, it's got a very nice sounding DI). Sometimes, rarely, there's a sound engineer who insists on using his DI box, and I just go with it: it never sounds bad either. Considering my amplifier really acts as a stage monitor most of the time, I'd be happy with a DI as long as I had a good monitor. I once had to go DI without an amp at a festival when their bass amp broke down... but they had really good monitors and I loved it. It made me realise that any trouble with bass on monitors is merely due to unsuitable monitor speakers. It's always wise to have a backup DI box: it takes little space, can live in your case permanently. It's unlikely you'll get caught out even if you don't have one, but if you can, why not? Another consideration is: do you use overdrive on your bass? Anything above low gain will sound pretty bad on a DI: the higher frequencies on the distortion make it sound fizzy and ugly. Using some kind of speaker emulation in that case can be a very wise move. Some DI boxes already have that function, but there are quite a few stand alone units that will give you that option. I use a lot of overdriven sounds with one of my bands (a RATM tribute band) and for that one I use a DSM OmniCabSim DeLuxe box. I use it as a DI, you can tweak it to simulate different kinds of speakers, and makes overdriven sounds work very well. 2) a 212 is not too much, I don't think. You have a volume knob on your amp, use it Single cabs may be easier to carry/pack, but there's something to be said for being able to use just one hand to carry them so a 212 is not a bad option. I use a couple of 210. Whenever I can, I bring both, even if one is enough when I just need monitoring, because I seem to get a better stage coverage with two cabs, without needing to be louder. Not just me, my band prefers it too. So... if using your 212 is easy... I would stick with it: you can always turn down. Also, the difference between 900 and 500W is not that large, unless you also increase the number of cabs. In fact, I'd focus more on the cabs, if you end up needing more volume. I made that mistake years ago, I went from a 500W to pretty much the same amp but in 800W as I hoped to get a bit more volume... nah, it barely made a difference. Adding another cab, now THAT did make a difference. I'd also invest in an adjustable high pass filter. It removes the bottom of the bottom. It's been a revelation for me. It's surprising how much you can remove from the very bottom end and still sound big and fat... but you get better definition and it's a godsend when stages are a bit boomy. People often think bass is about the lower frequencies, and to some extent it is, but there's a lot of low frequencies that you actually sound better without.

To me they seem mellower than Sunbeams from day one, but still have plenty of brightness. More focused on the lower mids, and less bottom end. They sound very good on my Sandberg VM4 (P/MM config), but I'm not sure whether I prefer them to Sunbeams or Fat Beams. They are all slight variations of the same theme, I think, my preference between Sunbeams and Fat Beams varies, I keep switching between them. The one thing I don't like about them is waiting for the initial extra brightness to fade... Pure Blues are already there from new, I just haven't decided whether their mids response is preferable to the others... :shrug:

The American Sound makes my Stratocaster sound pretty good through a MarkBass amp into TKS S112 cabs... Not 'acceptable' but pretty good. A pedal that sounds great for guitar or for bass, and makes the one-rig-for-all not a crazy notion. It's not quite as nice as plugging into a Fender DeLuxe amp, but it's better than many dedicated guitar amps I've tried. Can't wait for the British Sound to arrive. If it's as good as this, I think for home use I'm going to do without dedicated guitar amps (no gigs on guitar these days), and have a little board for recording/practice containing those Joyo units.

It depends entirely on the type of pubs... and how much you enjoy playing in pubs, because there's always some degree of 'hassle' so the question is whether the amount of fun/cash offsets the hassles. Back in 2017 I joined a band that was travelling around the UK playing all kinds of gigs. We were doing supporting slots in decent music venues one day, a festival the next, and a small pub another... Pubs were my least favourite, because in those places we used our own PA and we set up everything ourselves, and often it required waiting around for people finishing their dinner before you could set up... you don't always get enough room to dump your stuff so soemtimes we had to wait to even load in... But I enjoyed playing that music, I enjoyed being with my band mates, and the gigs themselves were great fun (ska/reggae band playing a mix of originals/classics). So, for me, it was ok. BUt everyone have different preferences. I would not turn it down just because the gigs are mostly pubs. Not all pubs are equal. Some are consistently bad, and some are consistently enjoyable... I am sure you can learn which ones to repeat and which ones to avoid as you go along. Of course, all this is thinking of a pre-Covid19 world... the future may be a little different, depending on how much pubs suffer. I can see a decrease of live music available, so in that case perhaps I may even be grateful for not-so-nice pub gigs... edit: while I've seen some bad situations... the vast majority of my pub gigs have seen nothing but a reasonable crowd. Fights, drunk punters falling on you/equipment is not the norm. Or maybe I am choosier, but I certainly don't associate those with pub gigs. One thing that I always try is to make some kind of physical barrier to deter drunks. Space is often limited, but it's not difficult to put some small stands or beer crates between monitors. A bit of plastic tape joining them create a 'stage area' that seems to psychologically stop all but the most persistent.

Thank you. That would be a no-no for me too then, because I really like the feel of the DRs too. Both Sunbeams and Fat Beams for me too, although I've developed a love for Pure Blues too.

SG with P90s... oh yes... (drooling)

Cool, I just programmed my TV box. Hopefully my grand-grandkids will enjoy it.

... and I ordered a British Sound too, mostly for my guitar. It's dangerous to be in front of my computer so many hours...