Mr. Foxen

[quote name='Bottle' post='977423' date='Oct 4 2010, 05:47 PM']But I take on board your point about the thicker strings choking things off - maybe I'll have a look at a taper-wound string set (although I can't say I've seen any in shops in Cambridge - time to hit the internet, methinks)[/quote] I ordered them from Newtone Strings.

[quote name='M4L666' post='977432' date='Oct 4 2010, 05:55 PM']Wow, thanks for all the replies guys I know that it can be done - look at Mnemic's bassist for proof! All the strings look good. About the 30hz thing - I would assume you can't (or it's pointless/harmful for your amp to) amplify frequencies below this? This is all very interesting, I may end up getting a bass specifically for the tuning looking at the requirements [/quote] Pretty sure most have a hard time below 50hz. It just eats vast power and bass cabs very rarely can do anything with it, aside from flap. It is to do with port tunings meaning below a certain frequency the speaker acts like it isn't in a box. Best cut that out very early on, maybe DI before so it can go through the PA if that can cope. I'm pretty happy with my low A tuning on a fairly standard bass, might benefit from a longer scale though.

I have a bass strung for low A standard, bottom string is 0.145. Recorded with it on the Caricatures stuff. Taperwound I think is important, as the string thickness can choke things off some.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='976736' date='Oct 4 2010, 09:28 AM']I think it looks mint! If I had the roadies or the transport and space id easily buy one, or an Aguilar 4x12.[/quote] The GS412 is surprisingly handy. Pretty sure something very similar loaded with Deltalites would be even better.

Is the bridge connected to the earth? Check the earth path is still complete with the switch on.

[quote name='attackbass' post='976623' date='Oct 4 2010, 01:26 AM']haha good thing it's mine then and not yours [/quote] That just means you stand with your back to it and everyone else has to look at it. Fairly sure Umph totally goes to loads of shows like you play.

New neck is probably easier than messing. What sort of truss rod is it?

There was a thread about loud noises knocking you out, can't find it though. Edit: Actually [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=20697"]yes I can.[/url]

[quote name='TimR' post='976318' date='Oct 3 2010, 07:18 PM']Doesn't most of the "bass" in a bass drum exist in the 80-120Hz area?[/quote] Fairly sure the prodigy will trigger some uber sub sample if it isn't there. What hits a standard PA/is on a record from a bass drum is probably that, pretty sure you can get lower from it if you want to.

Think it is just venues disappearing, although a well known local covers band venue has been taken over and is now not covers. Just play in an "originals" band, but throw in loads of covers, same result, if you wanna play covers.

There is a bass drum, which will be going through those big subs.

[quote name='51m0n' post='976192' date='Oct 3 2010, 05:37 PM']Massively disagree with this, I've seen this fail occur. As soon as you turn it up to gigging volumes the whump causes far greater excursion than a guitar will, result over excursion and very bad things.... You dont need to octave up (though you can if you want) you do need to filter out the whump and it would be considered belt and braces touse a limter to tame the larger transients.[/quote] Guitar amps can't make the whump though, especially if driven, they just don't have the power and the drive compresses everything. Running a bass amp into a guitar cab is the problem.

Delete his bids, should be an option.

[quote name='Bobby K' post='976169' date='Oct 3 2010, 05:14 PM']So, without a cap in at all, you're theoretically supposed to get the same sound you would with a cap in and tone pot on 10? Or am I stoopid...?? [/quote] In theory right, but there'll probably be some effect from the cap anyway.

People worry too much about bass breaking guitar speakers. Bass amps will, if you try and make it sound like a bass with eq, sticking a bass output into a guitar rig is happy though, unless you have loads of bass boost somewhere to try and make it sound like a bass. Trying to sound like guitar is fine.

[quote name='rmshaw37' post='975896' date='Oct 3 2010, 12:31 PM']i know i'm gonna get shot down for this - but i've used the ampeg 810, 410he, 410hlf and 115e in the practice room - the only one gthat made the whold band go "f***in hell!" was the 115. theory is one thing, hearing is another, and to my ears theres a big difference between a big driver and a small one thats well ported! i've always thought its the bass that gets people moving, not the drums (that just gives them something to dance to thats easy to pick up) hence why clubs and dance music get more people jigging than rock or whatever. like i say, i know i'm gonna get shot down for this, but i can hear (and feel) a big difference....... the same is also true for precision versus jazz *runs for cover*[/quote] Did you use those for PA at a large venue? Cause if not, that is totally not relevant.

No capacitor is better for high end. Lot of balls is said about capacitors, the value of it is about the only thing that matters, it's actual value, not its marked one, some have very wide tolerances.

High pass filter so nothing lower than 30hz gets into your speaker, and you are good to go, shiny new strings and bridge pickup will make the most of the harmonics you need to hear. Fundamentals are long out the window once you go lower than standard E. Also, headroom on everything. And make your guitarists not be too loud. Ideally though, have huge headroom, and tune up a step, and have a bassy tone, will cover the same ground, and be much less effort.

[quote name='thinman' post='975397' date='Oct 2 2010, 08:42 PM']Hmmm. I built a pair BFM T39 subs for PA use. Each only has a single 10" driver but then the cabinets are 1m high, 400mm wise and about 500m deep. They also include about 2m of folded horn within the cabinet. I admit that they're not designed to go much below 70Hz but they are very efficient at the frequencies people perceive to be deep bass. I just suspect that many lower-end manufacturers compromise more on enclosures because more complex designs like a horn-loaded design would be too expensive to mass produce. They also prey on the notion that bigger drivers must mean better output and response. Is it Hoffman's Iron Law that says you can't have wide frequency response, efficiency and small enclosure size - generally just two of them?[/quote] Those are exactly what I refer to when I said specialist really narrow ones. If you had Prodigy sized tours, you'd be using 15" loaded Titans and Tubas right, efficiency isn't an issue either, they have the power to make it happen? Plus prodigy want sub 70 hz gut jiggling stuff. Hoffman's iron law is size, sensitivity and low extension. Width of frequency response doesn't matter to subs, they are only for lows and nothing else. When it comes to PA, they just go for all three, because it doesn't matter nearly as much, you can have your really bassy cake, and eat it really really loudly. [quote name='ironside1966' post='975401' date='Oct 2 2010, 08:44 PM']I am sure someone will correct me if I am wrong but my understanding is this. A note is made up of the fundamental then a succession of harmonics so when people say the can hear a low note or sound from a very small speakers they are hearing the harmonics not the fundamental[/quote] Doesn't matter to subs, they are just making the lows, the higher harmonics are dealt with by the other parts of the PA.

This is in the context of PA subs, and doesn't apply to bass very much. Vice versa is true. There is no point running a bunch of 10" sub drivers, when the physics and costs benefit large drivers for sub use, because it doesn't cost much more to make a 15 over a 10, and the 15 will move more air within the same suspension limits. Beaming frequencies and such don't apply, because there is no mids or highs going on. It is just not worth making 10" pro audio PA subs, unless they get a bit specialist like really narrow ones or something.

Some of my best friends are orange.

[quote name='Colledge' post='975317' date='Oct 2 2010, 07:08 PM']but... but.... its black[/quote] Racist!

Not sure where you get the 'sucking out' from. Pretty much nothing goes straight through, the signal from a line out is going to be amplified (to line level), tuner out might be standard level, I think the Behringer head 'pay homage' to the Ashdown ones that have a tuner out, might be your best bet. Pulling the bass right down on the guitar amp is also advisable, the speakers don't necessarily cope with the amount of power their ratings suggest when it comes to bass. You don't need the low there, as the other amp should cover it. Really if getting some cash in is involved, get a better bass rig first of all. A blend pedal (LS2) and guitar drive pedals will achieve most of what you are after if the bass amp is decent.

Search is dud, but there are a few threads. Basically, there are loads of pedals with two outs, the Boss TU2 tuner and the Boss LS2 line selector being the favoured two, to straight up split signal. Better than using a line out that can have too hot signal for going right to an amp. Plus splitting before the amp means when that Behringer explodes and dies, you at least have some sound from the other amp.