Mr. Foxen

Pretty sure this one is full of wrong too. The classic short and long throw bit, lack of mention of the necessary use of a crossover if you are going to use a horn sub along with midrange drivers. 8x10 copes with a 5 string fine, is you aren't expecting more bottom than an 8x10 makes (not enough for a 4 string for the sounds I'm after). There are hardly any horn cabs made for bass, BFM has some designs, and the classic Acoustic W horn are apparently being reissued, the only other one I've seen was a home made apparently based on the Ampeg 2x15. LArge drivers being more suitable for more stringed basses is definitely wrong. Isobaric and horn loaded are totally different things, and can be combined should you feel the urge, but it is a fairly pointless excercise, since horns need to be big, and the advantage of isobaric is in being small. Plus halving the resonant frequency isn't a proper explanation, isobaric mounting doubles some characteristics and halves others, result is sacrificing overall sensitivity for more lows from a smaller box.

[quote name='LawrenceH' post='904165' date='Jul 24 2010, 05:24 PM']Welcome to the world of science! If you're used to writing scientific articles it's pretty shocking when you realise the basis of how journos put articles together.[/quote] I got into the habit from studying Law. Guess it is 'academia' really.

Is that the Myung sig, or whatever it was based on?

[quote name='CHRISDABASS' post='903893' date='Jul 24 2010, 11:59 AM']this is why i'll never understand people who break their backs to take massive rig's to gigs when you can do the same job with something small and save your self the time, effort and money [/quote] That would work if they did the same job, but some genres require huge SPL, impressive looking backline and can't expect any PA support. Plus big cabs are loads cheaper than fancy small ones, and the greater sensitivity is necessary if valve amps are a major factor in your tone.

They are all electrified planks. Actual guitars need no electrickery.

I'd get a meter and figure which pins carry the signal. It might be an XLR fitted just to act as a locking socket, and be wired however the chap felt, and had made a cable to match. The lack of 1/4" supports that.

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' post='903698' date='Jul 24 2010, 12:51 AM']Clearly you are unfamiliar with Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin, who have made doing just so into a very comfortable living. [/quote] Not the ideal examples since this is primarily a UK forum, but point taken. People really need to quote some sources when stating 'facts', yourself included, although I fully foresee that the sources would often be your own writings or knowledge, since it derives from experimentation and experience you have first hand.

I have no idea why someone would bother typing all this. Little bits come out in discussion when someone is trying to be helpful, usually in the form of explaining a known phenomena using incorrect reasoning, but compiling a huge amount of wrong into a single essay is weird.

That one is neo? Potential for hilarity.

Looks quite a lot like this one:

[quote name='EssentialTension' post='902343' date='Jul 22 2010, 08:51 PM']Yes, correct, the bass guitar is a bass guitar and the double bass, as it's commonly known, is a bass viol.[/quote] Trying to bend the point there. Take away the 'bass' part and it ceases to apply.

[quote name='SteveO' post='902313' date='Jul 22 2010, 08:27 PM']It is not a double bass in the same way that a guitar is not a viola or violin.[/quote] That leaves you open to 'the bass is a guitar, just like the double bass is a violin'.

[quote name='Lord Sausage' post='902279' date='Jul 22 2010, 08:03 PM']i think non bassists would know who Paul Mccartney was. Or Sting for that matter![/quote] MCartney was a guitarist, just the least good one in the Beatles. Sting is known as the singer over anything else. So not the best examples, shoulda gone for Flea. Does Paco de Lucia play bass?

[quote name='Doddy' post='902123' date='Jul 22 2010, 05:08 PM']I've just found a quote from Leo Fender where he says that "We needed to free the bass player from the big doghouse,the acoustic bass........ ..........The old bass took up too much room,and it was difficult to haul it around" In the same quote he also says that "sometimes guitar players would have an advantage if they could have an instrument with frets that would make doubling on bass easier for them" So it appears the Fender was looking at the instrument from both a guitar and bass player point of view.[/quote] Fairly sure he was looking at it from an engineers point of view. I'm so glad my electric bass stuff is so much easier to lug around than an upright.

^All of this is why I call it 'a bass'. I advise you all to do the same.

What about Wishbasses?

[quote name='Rich' post='901887' date='Jul 22 2010, 01:51 PM']OK. What's this? [/quote] Its probably not loud enough to keep up with an acoustic guitar.

I think it is just MEsa that view wattages differently. That is peak or a some ridiculous THD level or something. Americans like bigger numbers.

[quote name='Rich' post='901874' date='Jul 22 2010, 01:40 PM']Are you saying there are more similarities between this and a P bass, than between the P bass and the Bass VI?[/quote] In terms of position in music, yes. Although I've not seen a bass VI used much, it has general performed chordal or at least multi string duties.

If has a thermal trip instead of a fuse, a rod pops out of it somewhere when the circuit breaks, when it's cool it will pop bacl in when pushed, much handier than a fuse. Find it, if it is in, check current flows through it with a meter.

[quote name='Rich' post='901827' date='Jul 22 2010, 01:06 PM']It's guitar shaped, and basically a member of the guitar family, and is therefore a bass guitar. 'Bass' refers to its sonic range, like 'baritone' or 'tenor' or whatever. If an orchestral player asked what you played and you replied "bass", his logical answer would be "Bass what? Clarinet? Sax?". Or "GUITAR", like Leo did? [/quote] Fairly typical of a non-bassist to call it a guitar.

Playing with a pick so guitar. I think it is pretty much defined by its position in music than its construction. Lemmy plays bass guitar. No-one except bassists knows the name of anyone who plays bass.

[quote name='Musicman20' post='901629' date='Jul 22 2010, 09:18 AM']but the neo DEFINITELY 100% sounded different.[/quote] I think it is important to say 'neo speaker' as it isn't the 'neo' part that makes the difference, it is the construction of the speaker around it. As Bill says, flux is flux, but there are a whole bunch of other properties that are a whole bunch of other properties a speaker will have, and will have changed.

[quote name='machinehead' post='901507' date='Jul 22 2010, 12:40 AM']Yes, but you're clouding the issue. Can people tell the magnet material by listening to the sound of the cabinet, all other things being the same? If they can, I'll be amazed. I'm an electrical engineer of 3o+ years experience and I've learned to be cynical about anything that can't be proved by the science. Feelings rarely cut it in my experience. But again, I stand to be proved wrong - and I mean it. Show me how the magnet material can be heard differently from another magnet material. Frank[/quote] All things aren't the same though, so a neo speaker will sound different. Speakers with neo magnets have various other parameters that are different due to the designs having advanced to use the new technology. They can disperse heat more readily for example, as that is always a benefit and the small magnet lends itself to more effective heatinking, with corresponding less power compression. I'm not sure of the mechanics of it, but they also seem to lend themselves to greater xmax, guessing due to magnet field strength but its not really in my understanding, so less distortion at high power levels. It might not be the magnet type itself affecting the sound, but the magnet choice is affecting factors which affect the sound, all part of the speaker, giving a neo speaker a different sound. If you mean all things the same with the box they are mounted in, then at least one of them will be in the wrong box. That is probably another thing you'll hear wrong with neo magnets, they don't suit box designs that are being held over from ceramic drivers. Box is designed around the driver, just like the driver is designed around the magnet. Design the box right and you'll probably have more lows and less speaker breakup, plus the speaker breakup will probably sound different due to the construction changes, so again, it will sound different. You might be wrong to blame the neo bit, but that doesn't mean a difference isn't there.