Mr. Foxen

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Do the valves in them have screening cans?

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1357235323' post='1919579'] The trouble is that the top guitar players who do the big tours nearly all have big valve heads and 412s on the stage! [/quote] Fixed

[quote name='scalpy' timestamp='1357213464' post='1919093'] Interestingly, I also think the people you work with or play to judge the volume you play at with their eyes, ie they take one look at you squeezing through a door to a band call with a 410 on your chest and your face redder than a baboons arse and they think "the bass is too loud" before you've even plugged in. Turn up with the cab in one hand you can play the same volume and you can be complimented for being "sensitive!" In that respect (and it does earn you more money!) - more watts. [/quote] Fairly sure at a gig where my mate's band played, who have a clean baritone guitar and a distorted bass going on, that the sound engineer kept demanding the bass turn down until the notes were lost in the hiss of his pedals because he was assuming it was the 4x15 and 4x12 bass rig that was too loud, when it was actually the baritone guitar into a standard 4x12.

[quote name='0175westwood29' timestamp='1357210687' post='1919031'] Maybe just tell all guitarists to buy one of the things that allows them to crank but not be so loud is it a power break? [/quote] Telling them to not buy Marshalls would be a good start. You can make amps that have volume knobs that function properly and sound good, rather than getting one that sounds rubbish and turning it up until it sounds good.

[quote name='thunderider' timestamp='1357172455' post='1918798'] are there any good cheap "badgeless" valve amps,bass wise,i know of lead valve amps for few hundred quid! [/quote] Tons. I buy all the ones I see. Then I write them up on my blog, linked in sig.

Transformer cutoff will depend how much is off, and at what power. Someone was showing off how low the trannies in their amp went with graphs, but it was at 1w.

[quote name='Protium' timestamp='1357140598' post='1917990'] The usable frequency range of the Super Twelve is up to 4kHz. The rated spec of the driver (Kappalite 3012LF as mentioned earlier) is usable to 2kHz, where does the extra 2kHz come from? Same with the Midget. Discrepancies in the power handling too, each cone is rated to 450W yet recommended amp power is 1200W. [/quote][quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1356921785' post='1915246'] Doesn't have that driver. It has this one: [url="http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=EMIKLIT3015"]http://www.bluearan....?id=EMIKLIT3015[/url] [/quote] [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1356983257' post='1916136'] The Ones with the LF drivers have the midranges, aside from the Dubster, the ones without midranges, have drivers that go up to 4k, like the one I linked, or the 12" version. None use the cheap drivers, they just use a different expensive driver. [/quote]

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1357131714' post='1917812'] Just as well I use 10's with a horn then... [/quote] Works if you don't mind the octave wide gap between the cones and the tweeter.

[quote name='thunderider' timestamp='1357084973' post='1917433'] looks like transformers to put to bass are a couple of hundred squid!!...looks like ill never get a valve bass head then!! marshall superbass are too expensive! [/quote] Its not so bad if you buy a good amp instead of an expensive badge.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1357069960' post='1917163'] I was talking about the 12's..I quoted the 12's in the link..was only ever referring to 12's.. and said the higher priced 12 was limited to 2k. Where you get the 8k figure in relation to 12's in the cab config, I don't know.... unless they use a different chassis ..which again, wouldn't be a crime, but then it wouldn't be the top end spec range either according to price... which also assumes that top end price means best chassis for the job.. I have not got a problem with that, which ever way it lines up..... But hey, if it suits your argument, fill your boots [/quote] The 3012LF is 12" driver. No 12" driver is the best thing for the job over about 2k because they become directional above there. Thus to do the best job, you use the 12s up to the point they are the best and use something else higher.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1357067737' post='1917107'] So, different speakers then...?? So a 212 with different spec chassis...??? not unreasonable. so which model would that be..?? [/quote] Different to what? The flagship Barefaced cab is the Big Twin, it used a pair of 3012LF and a mid driver I've forgotten, that costs about the same as one of the LF drivers. The Super 12 uses a pair of 3012 and no separate mid. It isn't hard to figure by looking at the website, and some basic logic.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1357040636' post='1916573'] hmmm where does this 8k magically come from..?? [/quote] If it was magic, it wouldn't come from anywhere. It comes from the speaker. The one that does the higher frequencies, because 8k is a quite high frequency, in the scheme of things.

Depends what 2x15.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1356987212' post='1916183'] I was talking about this link...and they are both 12" and according to Eminence the cheaper 12 in the links is the one that goes to 4khz. I am sure it is a perfectly good driver. [/quote] The cheaper one goes to 4k, so if you are cheap, you can make a cab that goes to 4k, but Barefaced use not one, but two premium drivers in their flagship cabs so they can go as high as 8k+, and probably a fair bit lower (lots lower with any power handling) than a cab loaded with a single cheapy driver.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1356976442' post='1915977'] Which cab or cabs are you referring to...? If you look at the spec of the 212, it will say upto 4khz..??? but no horn. If that is the case, then it uses the cheaper Emimence driver from BFM link..?? The Eminence freq stats could be wrong but that is a difference of nigh on 2k...??? not sure where that will come from..?? [/quote] The Ones with the LF drivers have the midranges, aside from the Dubster, the ones without midranges, have drivers that go up to 4k, like the one I linked, or the 12" version. None use the cheap drivers, they just use a different expensive driver. Edit: typo

[quote name='lastnotleast' timestamp='1356956021' post='1915499'] This is the key. Low frequencies are long waves and "speak" at a greater distance than the short distance at which we typically stand in front of our kit. [/quote] That isn't how it works. Low frequencies are omnidirectional, higher ones are increasingly directional as radiating plane gets bigger, so if you stand too close to a cab, you can't hear the mids and highs, which are the thing you can pitch from, The lows reach you fine, that is why micing cabs and headphones work.

[quote name='Conan' timestamp='1356950505' post='1915407'] Since getting my Vintage (no longer made, but kind of replaced by the Super Fifteen) I have hardly even thought about speaker cabinets. They are a real GAS cure! [/quote] You'd think so, but since I got a Super 15, I've bought two Copacts (for same tone but bus luggable) and then a Vintage (because more is more) and keep considering a Dubster. Now my rig is two Barefaced 2x15s.

[quote name='Musicman20' timestamp='1356913795' post='1915198'] Compact?! [/quote] Doesn't have that driver. It has this one: http://www.bluearan.co.uk/index.php?id=EMIKLIT3015

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1356896668' post='1914918'] What about the useable frequency range..? 2k Hz less..?? [/quote] Rendered irrelevant by the mid driver in the barefaced cab, which gives it about 4k more, especially so off axis.

If you mean dividing the cab into two sections, that would mostly add weight and reinforce the cab, better off using lighter reinforcement. No benefit to separate speaker wiring.

If you have a PA to cart about that sounds good enough, sure. Generally a bass rig is easier to move, you can't rely on anyone else providing enough PA.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1356785858' post='1913560'] So why does anyone have anything more than 100watts? Why do barefaced cabs get a reputation for being power hungry etc? [/quote] I use a 70w amp with a Barefaced cab. If I want the big lows I go to a 140w amp. Why do people have more than 100w? Probably because they or their band are using the wrong stuff, or don't actually know what they want. Those are the reason the music gear manufacturers are still in business, people have been constantly told they need more, even though you can expect a far better PA in venues than were available when a 30w guitar amp was enough and a 300w bass head was mind blowingly huge, and speakers have got more efficient since. I have a 1000w amp, its rating is at 0.1%thd, which is not nearly a audible amount, but you can measure tiny amounts of distortion.