Mr. Foxen

[quote name='PlungerModerno' timestamp='1344027316' post='1759022'] Yup... and you'll have likely sacrificed a spot to store the amp and lows due to not coupling with the floor. [/quote] Lows will still couple with the floor, since lows have a long wavelength so need to be sourced very far from the floor to decouple.

"Tokai" http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HG102-Tokai-Rockinbetter-Black-Bass-Guitar-/180944098950?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item2a211bd686

Better off deciding what head you like and getting the cab to match. They are fairly transparent so its other factors on deciding which cab, because the tone will be coming from the amp. The Super 15 is loud enough to jam with drums with a 50w head set clean, just been doing it.

Have to make up some sort of caul with the right curve in to clamp them down after putting glue under.

I know who I'd send it to for a master setup.

If you stick full power from the Shuttle into a super 15 or probably a super 12, you will kill everyone nearby. don't fuss about max power. The super 15 is sensitive enough that I get all the loud I need for my silly loudness requirement from a 140w head. 103db is equivalent to a pair of SVT8x10s at the same wattage, according to specs on the Ampeg site.

[quote name='Bassdriver' timestamp='1343939611' post='1757720'] How do you mean? Are the ratings misleading or is it more like you can run whatever amp you want through any speaker (assuming the impedance is right for the amp) as long as you’re careful not to drive the speaker beyond its limits? A 1200w amp would soon fry a 300w speaker if you ran it at full tilt but up to a point the speaker would cope just fine...? [/quote] They don't bear any relation to any of those things. A 1200w amp can soon fry a 300w speaker if you are stupid with it, but a 200w amp can also fry a 300w speaker if you are stupid with it, because the point a speaker breaks from abuse isn't related to the watt rating. The first breaking limit for a speaker is the excursion limit, which is determined by the speaker and cab, and excursion is caused by voltage from the amp not wattage. Watt ratings on speakers don't tell you anything useful. [quote name='Bassdriver' timestamp='1343939440' post='1757714'] I’m not limiting myself to them. I’m just impatient and curious and want to play with something valvey now. There are quite a few Ampegs about for sale here and on Ebay so I thought I may as well start my valve journey there rather than waiting around for a V6 or Bass 400+ or whatever. Both of those seem highly regarded but hard to come by. I’m edging towards the SVT Pro 2 now. If I like it, great. If not I can get rid and see about getting something else. [/quote] Think there is a V6 in for sale right now. Also bunches of other valve amps, ampegs don't tend to be very good deals due to the expensive badge. Much more choice if you don't suggest limits from the start.

[quote name='Amazoman' timestamp='1343935425' post='1757651'] Thanks for your input folks. I do not really want another cab with a 15 inch speaker although I am sure the OBC115 is great. I like bottom end but want something with punch hence either 2x10 or 2x12. [/quote] No association between punch and speaker size. [quote name='Amazoman' timestamp='1343935425' post='1757651'] Would the AD200 really look silly on a Super 12? Width wise there is a 7cm difference I'm not sure that 3.5cm overhang each side would be too bad. The rubber feet on the AD200 would sit OK. Depth there are no problems. [/quote] Edit: Pic of head overhanging barefaced cab: [IMG]http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b69/Incarante/colouredknobs-1.jpg[/IMG]

[quote name='Smythe' timestamp='1343931472' post='1757570'] Going on what I've read in magazines/forums, havent owned a valve amp, so I can't comment on it I suppose! [/quote] Believing what you read on the internet and magazines would be the seriously wrong thing in this case then.

[quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1343928006' post='1757491'] I have a gig tonight where the audience consists solely of The Krankies. Should I align my 2x10 vertically of horizontally? [/quote] They got plans for the evening then? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/8965006/The-Krankies-We-used-to-be-swingers.html Plans involving you and band?

I avoid things that mes with the mids, its the place where all the tone change from technique comes from, so messing with it either boosts flaws in technique or cuts expressive value from technique.

Or a bar pole J, the cheap covered ones should do it.

[quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1343916780' post='1757290'] [b][i]The room acoustics are totally different when the room is empty versus full with an audience.[/i][/b] Shouldn't a good sound engineer adjust for this though. If I'm doing sound I'm constantly listening and making the sound as good as possible not sitting with my feet up chatting to anyone that will listen ignoring what's going on around them or going for a pint. [b][i][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Only by running the instuments through the monitors may what's heard on stage be as close as possible to what's heard out front.[/font][/color][/i][/b] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]I said before that trying to get just 3 vocals right in the monitors seems to be impossible let alone a full band. No, I'm quite happy to hear the sound on stage the way I like it and not somebody elses idea of a good mix. I've been in the position where the guys supplying the sound kept turning my amp down so that in the end all I could hear was a muffled bassy rumble in the distance and that was only when the others stopped playing. I spent the whole gig not hearing what I was playing.[/font][/color] [i][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Again written on my Macbook Pro,[/font][/color][/i] [/quote] "Good Sound Engineer" is the thing.

[quote name='shizznit' timestamp='1343901622' post='1756960'] What amazes me is that there is now 10 pages of posts about 'speaker dispertion'. Geez...c'mon!?!? [/quote] This is the amps and cabs forum, the point of an amp and cab is to disperse sound coming from your bass into the wider world, so how good something is at doing it is kind of important. The effects forum is better placed for stuff used just to change the sound coming from a bass.

[quote name='ashevans09' timestamp='1343869259' post='1756742'] On a slightly different note as a Mesa 400+ owner I really would consider holding out on one of these popping up, it honestly is the best thing I've ever heard and was certainly worth the wait . Weighs a freaking tonne and I dread the day that I need to retube it but worth it non the less . [/quote] Few retubes worth for cheap here: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50x-5881-Marshall-Valves-VLVE-00083-26-08-5881-6L6WGC-STR-/320956830344?pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Amplifiers_RL&hash=item4aba849288

[quote name='Smythe' timestamp='1343766392' post='1754995'] Maybe one day I will take the leap from SS to all valve but until i come into some serious money, i wont be doing so, I also cant be bothered with all the annual replacing of power valves, getting them biased [/quote] Doing something seriously wrong if you need to replace power valves annually.

Why Ampeg specifically? There's lots of other things out there. Watts on cabs are meaningless btw.

[quote name='ToastBeans' timestamp='1343860778' post='1756636'] I don't really know of any real luthiers that are accessible to me. There are a few shops here and home, but, none that I particularly trust 100% (is there some sort of accreditation or something I can look for?) . [/quote] http://basschat.co.uk/topic/26654-recommended-luthiers/

The Laney would probably be a fairly bad plan to pair up with a Barefaced, be very different things that are unlikely to compliment each other. I use 1-200w valve amps with the Super 15, and its lots of loud, if you aren't being silly with sound and low end like I do, then the Super 12 will probably do it, will look silly with the massive head on top though. Maybe a Compact, and add another if necessary.

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1343861119' post='1756650'] Agreed, crap sound is crap if it sounds crap to the listener, elsewhere in the room it might be good sound. Even the most ideally designed cab based on the most advanced physics could still suffer that fate depending on the room it's in. The fact you say that "'a room' won't cut it" kinda sums up what I've been trying to say. If we can't test it without breaking out scientific equipment and using sine waves in a specific environment that it's very unlikely anyone will ever play in, it won't be a huge factor on the sound compared to the other things going on. I don't think we disagree on the science, I can appreciate what you, Bill and Alex are saying and I have no reason to doubt you, we just disagree on the importance and impact of it. I'm happy to agree to disagree on that, the world would be a boring place if everyone had the same tastes in amps. [/quote] That thing you do when you do science in school where you eliminate variables: going for a cab with good dispersion is doing that, pretty rare circumstances that other problems out of your control will fix a dispersion issue with the cab, so you are nearly always going to be better off with a cab without that issue to start with, leaving you free to concentrate on the other issues. Even on a cab with an issue, understanding its characteristics means you can work with it and a bad room, rearranging all the stuff in a weird room at the local gig pub yielded pretty good results, and minimal humping cabs about to find out because we knew roughly how it should work. Then one super smart guy in another band decided he knew better and faced a 4x12 at himself an directly at the wall behind him, rendering himself inaudible aside from his octaver glitching.

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1343841330' post='1756203'] I dont get why they dont work with certain heads? I have more than one head and more than one cab, they are all interchangeable. [/quote] Different voicing can combine differently. If you like a 3db cut at 3khz, you can like 3khz cut by the cab, or by the amp, but might not like 6db cut when its from both.

[quote name='Big_Stu' timestamp='1343840645' post='1756182'] Out of curiosity what cab would you have suggested for the SVT? As I said, no slur intended, I was looking to understand the exchange. [/quote] Need to have all the other factors in place along with it, mostly the sort of sound aiming for.

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1343837687' post='1756107'] No, crap gear that sounds crap from anywhere, including on stage (often having heard it from on stage while moving my gear about during soundcheck). When you go to a gig and the sound's bad, do you automatically assume it's because the bassist's using a 410 because that's what it sounds like. Conversely, I've never had a bad word said about my 410RBHs (at least the sound. The size and weight is a different matter). Soundguys have regularly said they liked the sound of them when I was using them and they didn't have any radical shifts in sound as I moved about. [/quote] If its crap sound where I am, its crap sound, even if the bassist thinks it sounds fine where he is. Might be because he likes crap sound, might be because it sounds good where he is. I don't make automatic assumptions, but I do know some things to be fact, and use them as reference points to figure out where a problem is. Also for Dood, 'a room' won't cut it because room effects are part of it. But polar response is easy enough to demonstrate with a sine and being outside with no nearby walls with you cab. Or by being in a band with a guitarist who has a 4x12 and eqs without their head in front of the speaker, and if you've been there are tried to explain the problem to them, you know how those of us trying to explain to people in this thread feel.

[quote name='ThomBassmonkey' timestamp='1343836629' post='1756078'] Tens, maybe hundreds. That's usually to do with the sound engineer though, or sometimes crap gear. I've never ever stood in front of the stage and thought "if I move from here to there, the change in sound from the bass amp ruins the overall sound". [/quote] Crap gear like gear that sounds bad from where you are standing? Obviously as demonstrated above, that can be the fault of the bassist for not knowing how to use it, but equally it can be down to it sounding totally fine from where the bassist is.