Mr. Foxen

http://basschat.co.uk/topic/13848-ampeg-svt-2-pro/ Although you must be mistaken about the Ampeg being broken, because of the classic tone and the lengthy list of endorsers they have.

Retrovibe with R-Bomb: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bass-Guitar-with-Rickenbacker-Shape-only-played-a-few-times-/140776124304?pt=UK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV&hash=item20c6e92f90

Unless your pickup is around the 12th fret, 30hz isn't as relevant as you probably imagine.

Oh yeah, and if live, have it after your DI to front of house, since that sort of lows isn't that useful for monitoring anyway, and let sound engineer deal with rest. You'll find you can crank your rig crazily with no farting.

If thats starting to roll off at 75hz, prob be OK, depends how steep to an extent. The SVT 8x10 is rolling off from about there, but relatively gently.

[quote name='51m0n' timestamp='1339767072' post='1694018'] Yes, but they just dont really work like that do they, they do have variations of 'on-ness' whereas digital doesnt. There is the number of and frequency of neurones firing to maintian a given level of 'on-ness'. Which may seem similar but I'm not sure that it is quantifiable with a simple sample rate analogy. [/quote] Maybe as a variable bitrate, depending on how hard you concentrate. Plus really dense sounds with lots of information tend to block out everything else and are hard to ignore.

Its tone that matters more than watts, bigger deal. The Marshall will get louder but be dirtier, and maybe less bassy when it gets there. Depends if that tone is what you want. If it is the tone you want, but too quiet, get more cab. Does sound from sig that cabs might be weak point.

Sounds a lot for a Westone, but at the same time, you'd have trouble getting that much guitar for that price any other way.

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1339788753' post='1694521'] +1, and by that same token you may use processing to get that same result with any SS amp. +1. Few 210s can actually make use of even 150w, so anything more than that put in won't get any additional out. [/quote] Get a bunch of distortion and compression if you put more in, so might be a win if you like that. Until they break.

[quote name='Roland Rock' timestamp='1339765191' post='1693973'] In terms of perceived volume, my 100w valve amp is easily as loud as my previous 350w ss amp. Both played through 2 x 10" speakers. Hope this helps. [/quote] Bunch of that would be down to the 2x10 not actually being able to convert much more than 100w into spl.

Main thing is that watts isn't a useful figure to use anyway, for massive amounts of reasons, mainly with SS amps that it depends on external factors (load impedance) and the total lack of a relationship to SPL (which is the point of amplification).

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1339756667' post='1693758'] apart from the weirdness I always thought thats what dead spots were? the resonant pitch of the wood and the string leading to cancellation or something [/quote] Its actually resonance that does dead spots, the structure is resonant at that frequency and takes the energy from the string. Its like that thing when people say somehting is 'more resonant' when they mean 'less resonant'.

[quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1339753893' post='1693688'] String vibrates because its part of a stiff structure. [/quote] The lack of stiffness in the structure (and other resonant properties causing damping etc) is what effects the vibration of the string.

[quote name='dood' timestamp='1339669037' post='1692219'] Coming back to the audio amplifier, unless it involves some sort of DSP circuit, such as the preamplifier in the TC RH450, there is no analogue to digital conversion and thus the signal stays in the analogue domain. Effects units, such as those by Line 6 are digital as they rely wholly on A/D, DSP and D/A conversion. It's pretty safe to call them digital. [/quote] [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1339673089' post='1692361'] But still no-one can tell the difference between those and analogue [/quote] [quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1339699711' post='1693040'] Of course they can. as long as they see it or are told it's being used [/quote] [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1339709726' post='1693309'] Or are using it. [/quote] [quote name='silddx' timestamp='1339754278' post='1693699'] Nope, still don't understand. User experiences of what? Different between what? [/quote] I hope this way no new data will have to be assimilated.

100w with bunch of compression and distortion and bandpass filtering.

The body radiates sound, its a much larger speaking area. Its the same artifact as the acoustic output of any other instrument.

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1339743273' post='1693496'] What was the question again? [/quote] I was saying that the user experience differs significantly. You appear to want to argue, citing differences in user experience as support.

Becoming even less related to topic.

Not quite sure how that statement relates. Choosing different things is down to them being different, not because there isn't a difference.

If it isn't plugged in, there isn't an electric bit. There is still a tone though.

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1339699711' post='1693040'] Of course they can. as long as they see it or are told it's being used [/quote] Or are using it.

[quote name='LawrenceH' timestamp='1339708671' post='1693289'] Sorry I don't follow - incorrect about how acoustic instruments with hollow bodies work or my assumption that you were talking about hollow body instruments? Just to be clear i wasn't saying that the mechano-acoustic properties of an electric instrument aren't important, just that the dominant factors that govern what you hear in an hollow body acoustic relate to construction and specifically chamber resonance [/quote] The hollow body bit mostly, which disapplies all the following statements as their significance are specific to hollow bodies. If my electric bass isn't plugged in, its an acoustic instrument, just a fairly quiet one, but I can play a tune to someone in the same room and they can hear it fine. Also, with all the examples of wood bodied instruments mad of random wood, the wood isn't that random, they are all woods chosen for properties similar to those that make desirable electric guitar wood, mostly predictable and consistent strength and workability, pallets and popsicle sticks, need to be stiff, work under load and be rapidly shaped by machine into consistent shapes. So its all about comparing similar woods to establish a difference. Pick woods with wildly different properties, and you might hear something easier. Edit: also with regards to guitars specifically, the electric output of a guitar sounds dreadful for starters, so the tone of the amp is a much bigger deal, the bass is usually covered by other instruments, so the hearing on record thing isn't that useful a statement. Very few people have spent the time listening to instruments outside of those conditions to be able to say whether a broad wood group is a recogniseable variable. But varying wood does have an effect on tone, as stated, even within a species.

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1339708294' post='1693276'] Yes but in a solid body is it a defining thing and does the species of wood make the difference over and above everything else? Or as I think, you cannot accurately say what influence any piece of wood will have. Therefore picking it for it's tone is a bit silly. [/quote] I already said about that earlier. But not being able to predict something isn't the same as that thing not existing. Edit: Here: [quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1339674152' post='1692392'] I think what was established was that the influence of materials on tone wasn't as simply predictable as the 'x wood has y tone' that is put about. Wood does affect tone, but the relationship isn't so simple as can be summarised in generalisations. [/quote]

[quote name='Beer of the Bass' timestamp='1339707902' post='1693265'] Which assumptions, and in what way do you consider them incorrect? [/quote] The assumptions made about acoustic instruments. I know they are incorrect because I know what I'm making and the acoustic principles it is built around, and the assumptions don't apply. Also, there mere fact electric basses make sound when not plugged in shows there is relevance to the physical properties, that is a major thing to eliminate.