Mr. Foxen

[quote name='LukeFRC' timestamp='1338581265' post='1676883'] It's cash on collection. so unless the courier comes with the cash.... otherwise arrange your own courier, quote for packaging and then quote for your time for wrapping and waiting for the courier. [/quote] If its on ebay, paypal has to be an option.

Proof of deliver for the seller is the proof they've handed it to the collector. The stuff you posted is from Paypal, who operate their claims system separately from Ebay, Ebay having a lot more procedural stuff forming the agreement between seller and buyer, for exactly the reason of dispute resolution. The fact you don't understand or notice the difference between the two is why you are throwing up inapplicable scenarios. If you agree to ship an item via ebay, and then actually hand it over, then you have the obligation to provide a POD to the address agreed, because you've said you will deliver, with a collection only, the proof of collection from the courier is as far as you need. And the cash on collection was still regarding stuff not via Ebay where its entirely done on trust with no claims or arbitration process or records.

First one didn't go via the ebay dispute process, which would have found in the guys favour due to positive feedback, I would guess he just ignored all messages and didn't respond assuming it would sort itself out (non response from a party = finding in favour of other party). Second was not via ebay, where the shipping/collection method is made clear, in the OP case, collection.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338574640' post='1676735'] Thats all well and good, but as has been pointed out repeatedly---paypal themselves make it clear that you are not covered as a seller in this scenario. [/quote] Read teh scenario, and note who is being addressed by each statement in the link, and note it is regarding seller protection. One is for a person having scammers offer to buy a car by paypal, and nothing to do with ebay. Seller protection isn't even relevant anyway, all that the seller has to do is being able to respond to a buyer protection case, and buyer protection doesn't apply when an item is collected by the buyer. You have been paid by them, they can't get their payment back without bringing a case and succeeding

The buyer trusts the courier, its them that is contracting with them. That makes it exactly the same situation as if they sent any other third party, except with the additional guarantee of a recognised name of the courier, and the requirement for them to leave paperwork. Its all about co-operation to get your item sold. If you make yourself difficult to deal with deliberately, that is the whole point of the feedback system.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338571488' post='1676678'] If that were the case then unscrupulous sellers could rip off buyers even more easily. Buyer pays by paypal Seller pockets cash Buyer arranges to pickup item Seller doesn't turn up at designated meeting point Buyer contacts paypal saying "I never got my item" Seller provides "receipt" saying item handed over or posted to some random address (which they claim buyer asked them to do in a phone call) What then? [/quote] The seller still has the item and is a scammer apparently, gets a bad feedback, and possibly further action from ebay. I've had a guy not be in when I arrived to collect, he delivered next day and paid for time.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1338570897' post='1676657'] If I'd listed an eBay item as 'cash on collection only' and the winning bidder sent me a message stating they would pay by PayPal and send a courier, I'd blow them out totally and list the item again, stressing the fact that it is [b]CASH ON COLLECTION [u]ONLY[/u][/b]. [/quote] That would breach ebay rules and thus you get no protection and lose your fees.

All the proof of delivery stuff only applies if the payment was made for an item the seller needs to deliver. Paypal never say accept cash, the internal logic there shows you its wrong, especially knowing ebay force paypal as an option. And when an item is collected, you get a receipt for it, that's your proof of delivery, into the hands of the buyers agent. If a buyer is going to lie, everything makes no difference, because that is the nature of lies. You respond in ebay with your proof of delivery, which you won't have if they collected it in person, so a courier is better anyway, since they give you a receipt.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338570018' post='1676637'] You're confusing "what ebay should do" with "what ebay will do" I'm afraid. If a buyer raises an "item not received" claim then you need to be able to prove that the item was delivered to their registered delivery address. You can have all the collection notes you want, but if you don't have POD to the registered paypal address then they won't cover you. Paypal are pretty explicit about this. [/quote] I've done it though. Post links to paypal saying otherwise. Otherwise I'm going to be sticking with what actually happened in the scenarios like this one that I have actually experienced. When an item is collected from you by the buyer, or an agent thereof, anything else from that point is nothing to do with you, why would it be? All this proof of delivery stuff is entirely to do with a seller agreeing to arrange shipping themselves.

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1338569632' post='1676628'] To be covered by Paypal you have to post to the buyers registered address. proof of delivery to any other address isn't good enough. It's stupid, but that's the way it is. [/quote] This isn't the seller posting.

[quote name='Johnston' timestamp='1338569217' post='1676614'] And if they contact the courier and change delivery address. [/quote] That's not different from them picking it up, and driving to a different address. If you have a collection note with the appropriate details, thats it, take a copy, send to ebay.

When a carrier colelcts, they leave a receipt copy of the note, with the delivery address on it, if it doesn't match, then don't hand it over. I've been through the process of having a collect only item collected by my courier many times. A friend did so and it got damaged due to poor packing. Ebay sided with the seller, even though they were a bit of a crazy. Edit: I've had a guy courier a hardcase boxed to me, so I could pack the guitar into it, and then he sent another courier to collect that the next day, that was neat.

No obligation to pack without further negotiation. And as soon as you demand cash via ebay, you lose and ebay stiff you. Obligated to accept paypal.

Refusal to co-operate with an entirely reasonable request to act through the buyer's agent is cheerfully grounds for a neutral feedback.

[quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1338566799' post='1676549'] But the buyer is sending UPS to collect. The buyer is NOT asking the seller to post it. No more hassle than the buyer collecting. What's the difference between the buyer collecting and UPS collecting? NOTHING The seller is just looking for an excuse to relist coz he got less than he wanted. Poor form! [/quote] Kind of lack of getting the packing part of the P&P paid, and the hassle of sorting it generally (the buyer collecting would probably give a better idea of time of day), but as far as ebay is concerned, there is no difference. But basically, don't list things for a lower price than you want. It's that hard. Buyer is fully entitled to leave a neutral feedback, probably a reasonably worded bad one, and if they don't co-operate, ebay will keep the selling fees.

Don't need to prove delivery on a collected item. If the buyer arranges collection, then the collection is where sellers responsibility ends. Nothing to do with evading ebay and paypal rules.

That doesn't affect the responsibility of the seller to ensure delivery once it is out of their hands. I sent my mum to collect an amp I bought on ebay, if she lost it on the way, its nothing to do with the seller.

If its collect only, if the buyer collects it, by whatever means, then when you hand it over, its done. Its if they pay the seller to courier it after its marked collect only that messes it up, because its whoever makes the contract with the courier that has responsibility, regardless of the requests between the buyer and seller.

[quote name='skidder652003' timestamp='1338554284' post='1676256'] just contacted by the buyer and they want me to wrap it for a courier and i said collection only! God knows what its going to cost to courier, way more than its worth i would guess! [color=#000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2][b]Dear skidder652003,[/b] Hello. I am the lucky winner. I will pay you till Monday via paypal. I can arrange the ollection via UPS service for Tuesday or Wednesday. Can you please pack nit for me? Please also inform me with your contact name,full adress and mobile phone number. Waiting for your reply. Kind regards[/size][/font][/color] [color=#000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2][b][color=#000][font=arial, sans-serif][size=2]- ladybird079[/size][/font][/color][/b][/size][/font][/color] [/quote] That means he is having a courier come and collect it, so it is being collected from you, and everything after the courier collects is his responsibility. Be kind of rude to not do a sensible packing job, but even if you don't and it gets wrecked, ebay side with you, because anything after collection isn't to do with you.

In the amp are, and one is a C-core, the ones I have are also Partridge, if you want a new partridge transformer Matamp, let me know as I have two sets, can share the design cost of figuring the right way to sue them.

Those are pretty hen's teeth an you can't get that quality of transformers any more (that's direct from Matamp, I am looking into having a couple built round transformers I have).

Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/events/350170025034601/. This is Saturday. Most towns have bunting up and stuff to celebrate my birthday, so the least you can do is come to my gig.

The cutting out could just be the pot breaking loose of its solder if it is a board mount one, easy soldering job.

[quote name='aldude' timestamp='1338458486' post='1674779'] I think there has been some confusion as to the language originally used - perhaps a lot of the irrelevant discussion could have been avoided if the term "DC" was replaced with something else ("flat bit" will do ). [/quote] The important wrong bit was the idea that it can damage speakers. And the justification that it does so because it is DC is the bit that makes no sense anyway.

Best way to get it wrong is if you detach the pickup wire from the pickup, then it can be a really hard job to fix, or you break it more. The otehr stuff has less potential issues.