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Does this get us any closer..? You're all too fast for me..!

And even the mixing sounds different to the sound 'live', either as individual instruments or, even more so, when the whole band are playing together. There's nothing I can think of that can beat (for fidelity...) the 'live' performance. Even then, folks in different parts of the room will hear a different version. There is no 'perfect'. An orchestral conductor (or the sound tech for a group...) hears things quite differently to the musicians themselves whilst they're playing. Which is the 'true' version..? There ain't one; it's a chimère. All the version sound different; one prefers one or another, but they're all 'false' to some degree, whatever the System.

And as contrast ...

Out of sequence, but ... (Best listened to with headphones ...)

Fr From the outset, from that very first 'Tap Tap - Bass Drum (on the 'One'...), it's 'Four And One TWO Three Four', try to count 'one TWO three four one TWO three four one TWO three four...', with that strong bass note on that TWO. One TWO three Four one TWO Three Four. The strong note of the bass line is (deliberately...) one beat behind the drums. It counts through like that from start to finish. Very unusual, and rather 'gimmick', but it works, once the strong bass is on the TWO.

That's ^^ about as good a definition of 'widdling' as I've ever seen. Respect for the technicity, but that's ^^ widdling.

Good morning, Neil, and ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

R is for Rostropovitch

Are you sure you posted the right clip..? It's true, I must admit to being rather deficient in the hearing department, but I don't hear much in the way of 'slap' in that. More of a NIN -clone vibe, and bass drum-bass mixed rather too close for me, but not what I call 'slap'. Is it me (for a moment.. For a moment...)..?

That's about all there is to it. The notion of 'sounds OK' depends a bit on what we listen through, and that's where the referencing helps (me, at least...). If I listen to an orchestral work, on headphones, and then listen to what I've done, I can judge by comparison if I've the horns too present, or cymbals too harsh. When I then listen through my monitors, they shouldn't be too far apart. If I don't use any reference, it may sound good to my cloth ears, through my headset, but, to anyone else listening through hifi, it'd be really 'pants' (if that means 'not very good'..?). Another genre, such as acid rock, I'd compare to Iron Butterfly, or The Doors, or whoever, and try for something with a similar sound balance. It's my way of compensating for not having the top-notch systems I used to have access to, and the accumulated, and worsening, auditive faculties. As I lose hearing, I lose it as much for my references as for my own stuff, and so can adjust. I see on video clips of percussionists waving their fingers through a line of miniature suspended tubular bells; I have no idea what that sounds like, as it's well outside of what's left of my lugs. I'd have no chance of incorporating those in my stuff..! I can, however, get a reasonable hi-hat 'chick', as I can compare it to a 'Ziggy' track. Cheating..? I should cocoa..! Anyway, referencing is what I recommend to be able to judge, for yourself, if your cans are as good as your TV, or if they need upgrading.

How, then, do you mix..? (Genuine question...). Do you use reference material at all, listening through whatever..?

There's a fairly simple and cost-free way of evaluating what you already have. Use the 'cans' for listening to stuff you know well. I can buy the best stuff on the market, but my hearing is, shall we say, past its prime. This doesn't stop me recording and mixing, as I listen to stuff I know, and compare with that. One of my references is Ziggy Stardust; if the cymbals I hear in my recordings are louder than those on my Ziggy reference, I know to lower them. I can hardly hear them, so if I mixed for myself, with whatever gear, it would be atrocious for other, normal, people. Choose yourself some reference tracks, in any genre that you are familiar with, and compare listening to those with any and all of your systems. That will show up any deficiencies, and give you a baseline from which to decide (or not...) to upgrade. Hope this helps.

Good afternoon, Trev, and ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share. Sorry to hear of this 'incident'. That's Life; 'stuff' happens.

... and the bass is so low in the mix as to be almost inaudible. Shocking..! ...

Too late now, but if I was to build from scratch, I don't think I'd have gone for parallel walls and floor/ceiling. It complicates things a little, of course, but helps a little acoustically, I think. Just sayin'; well done.

And I'm starting to seriously consider Linux, to rid myself of the insidious W10 incursion into my PC usage. I don't want the PC software to 'help' me, nor treat me as a 'mate' or 'buddy'. Sod off; I'm doing things as I wish, and don't want nor need to join in with your nonsense. If only my principal Vst's ran on Linux...

We never have these compatibility issues with our Windows PC's. Mac, eh..? Who'd have 'em..! ... Not..!

The Spitfire BBC Symphony Orchestra is a 'must'. A questionnaire to fill in (no great shakes...) and it's free..! Thanks for posting.

Good afternoon, Maz, and ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

One of the more interesting drumists, to my ears, and so passes muster.

Just another impression on this, in view of the (perfectly valid...) opinions above, I've been a Joni Mitchell fan since... Well, forever, so some bias here. She has a very varied set of interests, and has, over time gone down several different rabbit holes, and explored many different genres. I find it perfectly fitting that, whilst respecting the more delicate numbers, there's a bit of 'raunch' on stages of the sort. There are other videos of more intimate occasions, and I found it refreshing to see and hear her evident enjoyment of this performance. I'll freely accept the reservations mentioned; it doesn't detract at all, for me, whenever I watch this video (and I've played it extensively..!). I can think of only one or two songs from her whole repertoire that I could be tempted to skip over, but even then I probably wouldn't. One of the Great Wonders of the Modern World, to me; her art and output have brought so much light and joy into my life.