Dad3353

Sorry; I'll just crawl back under my rock, then and leave the serious, intelligent posts to thicker-skinned persons than my humble self. Where's my sackcloth and fistful of nettles..?

I'm not sure that Sibelius, Mozart et al immersed themselves in listening to music all the time. I think a lot of it was in their heads, between their ears, and they wrote some of it down. That's more like my take on being a musician, with its obvious spectrum of definitions. Hearing music does not a musician make, nor yet listening to music (although it's a Good Thing...). Being a bass player does not imply any necessity to listen to, nor hear, any genre at all, although most folks would not be completely cut off. I can understand folks wanting to listen to bass being played, for any number of reasons, but I can equally understand not wanting to, again, for many reasons. To me, they're not connected by any hard link, no more than an F1 follower being even of age to drive. S'not the same thing, being a racing driver and having an interest in driving fast all the time. Still, we each have our different perspective on things. Mine are just, apparently, that much more 'useless' than others.

I wonder how many followers of football actually play..? Or F1 enthusiasts race their cars..? Playing an instrument (or even being a musician...) doesn't mean one listens to any music, just some music. How many here, whilst listening to so much music, actually put Schubert, or Mozart, into their sound systems..? These things are not related; I'm not at all surprised.

We play for free anyway, so no change for us.

I wonder what glue is used on various basses..? Presumably no more fish or hide glue. Aliphatic resin..? Epoxy..? Casein..? The list could be long. Surely this would have some effect on tone, no..?

That'll take you a fair while; they have all of that and more..! (Although Mozart's classical repertoire is more extensive still ...)

It just so happens that the Grateful Dead cover a very wide spectrum indeed of musical styles..!

This, to a 'T' (well, not the Finland bit, obviously, although rural France can be quiet, too...). I prefer listening to 'From The Mars Hotel' in my head than any radio station.

Good afternoon, Shels, and ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

Good afternoon, WL, and ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

Good evening, Phil, and ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

Was Beethoven classically trained..? Yes. Did he invent stuff..? Yes. So, it follows that being classically trained is not a barrier to being inventive. End of.

I think it's much simpler than that, and have already posted so, but, to repeat... 'Is having a thorough formal music training a barrier to being inventive?' No. /topic

Yeah, but he's using both his hands..! I'll not be trying out that drum plan for our next 'Fake Plastic Trees' session. Other than the very smart, and delicate, 'thrash', I'm not impressed by the rest of 'em. Can't sing for toffee, either.

Good evening, Steve, and ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

You do realise that I'm a drummer, don't you..? ...

Sorry; I'll stop now, then. ...

Much of this rings true, but I don't see why it should be portrayed as such an 'either/or' process. There's no obstacle to, little by little, adding to hands-on experience with progressive theory either directly related or simply interestingly parallel. From my family, I had no musical input, but we had music lessons at school, much of which was academic (no instruments, just listening to stuff or explanations of historical movements...). I spent some lunch breaks at the piano in the school hall, working out for myself (and thus, understanding, sometimes...) intervals and scales. They made sense on a keyboard in a more direct manner than a fretboard or even a stave. When, having left and started work, I bought a guitar, I also bought a method book. Unfortunately (or not...), it was the Mickey Baker Jazz Method, so the first notes/chords I struggled with were six-string Major and minor 7ths, and the infamous D13b5b9th, which nearly broke my hands on the rubbish Russian-built steel-strung flat-necked classical guitar I'd bought (yes, I was poor...). I played, I listened, I read stuff, I even understood some of it, and it has all served over time, and has been built on. As a drummer, my 'need' for deep comprehension of harmony or chord sequences has been limited, but has always served, when winging it with an unknown French polka, for instance, picking up when the accents need placing. To summarise, I'd say that it's all good. In this instance, to me, less is not more. I cannot, naturally, place myself in the head of others, but I have difficulty imagining how 'creativity' could be hampered by absorption of knowledge, in any artistic field.

He may have been keeping just the DI track..! ...

It's incomprehensible to me, as is buying pre-ripped jeans or 'street-rat' motorbikes. The other extreme of car 'detailing' is also foreign to me; am I a Bad Person after all..?

There are four chords..?

Good morning, Dean, and ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

One very good reason why they're so ubiquitously popular as 'live' vocal mics..!

I'm not sure that having music playing in the background whilst doing other stuff counts, really, as 'listening'. I think I'd say that that was 'hearing' music; to me, (I may be alone in this definition...), 'listening' involves having a focus specifically on the music. I'd compare to 'listening' to a speaker, as opposed to 'hearing' someone speak. Not that there's anything inherently wrong, but, to me, there's a definite distinction. I may (not often, but it has happened...) play a favourite piece whilst doing the washing-up, but it's not at all the same when I sit down and play the same piece, settled into my armchair with closed eyes (OK, OK, I nod off on occasion. I'm old, OK..? ). Just sayin'.

Good morning, Biff, and ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.