Dad3353

A pity that many of us don't 'do' facebook. Never mind. 

I can see the ad when I scroll through that section of the Forum, on page 21 (April 25, sorted by Last Updated...) on my PC, using Chrome. 

2 minutes ago, Tobe said:

Mods are a bit giddy aren't they. You have Frank Blank saying folk are "tossers" and his post remains. I post genuine replies to people who quote me and they get removed. 

Nice 👍

Unfair, though. Mr Blank was using a generic term, non-nominative, and in a humorous context, suggesting that some character traits may be revealed with topics of this nature, and should not be unduly curtailed. This is quite different to pointed barbs aimed at specific members, in an unseemly manner.

Disclaimer : I am no longer a Mod, simply a member as everyone else. I do know how to use the 'Report' function, however. 

I think that the original video being discussed here was rather making a point, not about the music on offer, but that the music is no longer made by groups (or bands...), but by solo artists, in whatever genre. These 'charts' are now full of singer/songwriters; any 'group' stuff was made before the turn of this century. No new groups are emerging. Is this right or not, I wouldn't know, but I think that that was the thrust of the video. 

5 hours ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

After all the high praise I'm curious and wouldn't mind seeing what they're like. 

 

But there's no way I'm Googling "Fanny". 

Try 'fanny rock group'; it worked for me. 

11 minutes ago, Tobe said:

...Do all 34" vibrating E strings (for clarity lets keep it the same string brand) on every instrument sound exactly the same  unplugged to you? .. same timbre and everything? ...

Yes, once the guitars, keys, bass Fx pedals and drums kick in. 

3 minutes ago, StickyDBRmf said:

My Stick is made of laminated bamboo. 

Oh no..! Now we have a debate on tone-grass starting..! 

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7 minutes ago, meterman said:

...I played in an Afrobeat band once and I swear this is true - we'd often play 3 or 3 and a half hours non stop, and all the songs seemed to blur into each other after about an hour....

I can echo this; I played quite often with a Caribbean band; I was the only white bloke in the group. I can attest to the myth that all Blacks have natural rhythm as being patently false, as, to make up numbers on stage, the BL took his mates as conga, maracas and bongo players just as 'fillers'. Everyone kept dancing as long as I kept the beat going, whatever these fellows were playing (or not...). Again, normally five-hour stints, 9 till 2. Happy daze. 

Many pick-ups are mounted on springs, or a foam block, to provide for vertical adjustment (string height from pole pieces...). Does this practice have any effect on the transmission of these tone-wood tones to the pick-up..? 

19 minutes ago, Tobe said:

So my two "Identical" basses are made in the same year by the same manufactuer, they both even weigh the same, yet one is louder than the other acoustically which translates when it is plugged in, it just resonates more, I tried swapping all hardware, strings between the two, and even pickups/electronics, and yes the bolts are all torqued the same, and the same bass is still louder than it's counterpart. The only thing that's left is the wood, what else do you suggest is making the difference in acoustic volume? 

Btw,  I'm not for marketing or stand anywhere other than that of my many years experience, But to answer your question about Alembic saying dark and bright suggests bass and treble with less mid to me, which is my real world experience of Rosewood. So I'll go for that.

Can you tell the difference when they're played by someone else..? Genuine question; I'm not doubting that you hear a difference (nor indeed, that the difference exists...). 

6 minutes ago, Tobe said:

That's my point.. wood has made the difference and your all agreeing now 🙂

How does one determine, before the build, what the final sound will be..? How does one go about selecting that piece over that piece, knowing that the instrument will sound 'brighter', 'louder', 'darker' or whatever..? Tap-tuning..? Weight..? Under a microscope..? Wet finger in the air..? For a solid-bodied instrument, I'm not convinced that there's any reliable, repeatable, method. Is there a pile of wood 'rejects' out back of any of these master builder workshops..? Wood that they know, in advance, doesn't cut the mustard..? Hmm... Colour me sceptic. 

1 minute ago, Bluewine said:

Yes, they provided a wonderful plot of gravel for a stage.lol

 

Daryl

Luxury. Sometimes it's the lower corner of a boggy field. 

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2 minutes ago, Tobe said:

 A magnetic pickup knows the difference between Acoustic and Solid, it also knows when a Martin or a Taylor, a mahogany or Rosewood, it hears and amplify's the differences..  How? 

Not many are suggesting that there is no difference at all, just that, for solid-bodied instruments, the species of wood has such a tiny difference that it cannot be either heard, nor measured, in the 'real world'. Changing air pressure makes a difference, as does temperature. Does one have to get to quantic level to decide which sounds better..? 

This neck is made up of eleven pieces. I wonder what it sounds like..? 

For the variety bands we used to have, in the '70s, we played from 21h00 till 02h00, non-stop, Friday, Saturday and Sunday night in the summer season. The drummer was the only one who got no break (some songs needed no guitar, others no keys etc; all needed the drummer...). I had a bottle of diluted orange juice on the floor, to take a sip now and again, and just played through. I couldn't do that now, of course, but it was a Good School. Happy daze... 

2 hours ago, dmccombe7 said:

When you mention accommodation Daryl do you mean the venue "stage" area or do you mean you stayed overnight in accommodation in the area. ?

Appreciate that distances in US are far greater than over here.

Just curious as to how far from home you guys play and if you have a limit on how far you'll go for a gig. ?

Dave

I think that, from the photo, we can judge that 'accommodations', this time, meant 'stage area'..! 

Just now, Hellzero said:

... almost deaf. 🫣😉🤣

No 'almost' about it..! 

6 hours ago, andyonbass said:

Anyone else never heard of this band from the 70's? Can't imagine why they never gained a higher profile, some very talented ladies .... I'm looking forward to doing some more research although a google search might reveal some dubious results given the name!!

Enjoy

 

 

... and she's playing a Camco kit, just like mine (except that mine's clear maple finish...)..! Good taste in drums, at least..! 

Just now, Baloney Balderdash said:

This recent "discussion" was a reply to the post of mine I quote above, wasn't it?

Does a guitar/bass body resonate differently when played in free air, as opposed to being strapped to the player..? What effect, if any, does the close proximity of the player have on any resonance..? Does the instrument sound different when played on a stand, or hung up in a shop, compared to on stage..? I would suggest that any acoustic effect of an electric instrument is so negligeable as to be beyond 'normal' human hearing. It may (note the 'may'...) be possible, in laboratory conditions, to detect something, but even admitting this, I don't think that this has any effect in a band, or recording, context, and is therefore a discussion for discussion's sake. Why not; it's of academic interest, but of little (read 'no'...) real-world value. 

Disclaimer : I'm a drummer, so... 

3 minutes ago, Belka said:

If that's the case, why do old strings sound deader than new ones, both acoustically and amplified? 

Their vibration is dampened, by 'crud' in the windings, or metal fatigue. Not all strings have this happen to them; flat-wounds last considerably longer, and my nylon-tape-wound strings sound 'dead' from new, so... 

13 minutes ago, Baloney Balderdash said:

So the sound we get doesn't actually reflects (reflects, as in resembles, not the physical phenomena reflection) how the strings vibrate at all?

The sound reflects the way the string induces changes in the magnetic field around the pick-up. There is very little (small enough to be insignificant...) acoustic input to these changes in magnetic flux. 

13 minutes ago, rwillett said:

Pickups can (note the word can) pickup acoustic phenomena, this is an excellent test that somebody did with hard data as opposed to somebody listening and interpreting things. I thought that wax potting was to avoid the microphonic issues with earlier pickups.

 

https://guitarnuts2.proboards.com/thread/8521/testing-microphonics-potted-paf-clone

 

Now if shouting into the pickups can make them vibrate enough to cause magnetic variations that are then passed on, then that indicates that acoustic phenomena can impact the pickup. Its making the poles (or wiring) vibrate and therefore generating a current.

One has to shout pretty loud, and with high gain, to pick up any microphonic sound from an electric guitar. Far louder than would be any acoustic vibration of a wooden guitar body. If the strings are removed, even that sound is no longer picked up. 

2 minutes ago, Baloney Balderdash said:

But the pickups do pick up the vibrations of the strings, right?

 

That is how we get sound.

 

No, they don't pick up the acoustic vibration of the strings, only their changing flux in the magnetic field of the pole pieces. 

Magnetic pick-ups don't react to sound at all, only to changes in the magnetic field around them (the vibration of a steel string, mostly...). That's why single-coils pick up hum, from external magnetic fields such as unsuppressed lighting systems. One cannot 'hear' this hum, as it's not phonic, only magnetic. The 'tonewood' does not react to this hum, either, nor to an E-bow. Pick-ups don't react to acoustic phenomena. 

23 minutes ago, Cato said:

... but that's the one I'd save in a fire.

Only an expression, I know, but I was absent (at work...) when a spark ignited our sofa, and I lost my Antoria Hummingbird 12-string acoustic. My Good Lady extinguished the blaze, but too late for the guitar (and the sofa...). 'Stuff' happens.