+1 to all of that. Our eldest was a member of Kiemsa for several years; I did their sound, then their lights for a bit longer, even. They had a keen and growing fan base, started playing in local venues and self-promoted concerts, and gradually climbed up to festivals and headlining bigger places, playing every week-end of the year and more. They called it a day after their very successful second German tour, and the 'Adieu' gig was jam-packed. In all of those years (over a decade...), only the sound guy (Vincent...) got a 'salary'; all the rest of their revenue from concerts, CDs and merch was ploughed back into the next venture. They parted excellent friends; I still see 'em now and again, and none regret the time, energy (in spades..!) and money poured into it all. Net result, as far as 'living wage' is concerned..? A huge negative. It was (and, I believe, still is...) just about impossible to be a musician in that category and get a mortgage, run a car or send kids through school. Great for the young, but not an easy career choice. Great times were had by all, though; I've the scars to prove it..!