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This sounds like a couple of chapters from Dave Vader's previous book..!

[quote name='The Jaywalker' timestamp='1503912371' post='3361441']...Arrangers generally write poor basslines and dont really understand the instrument or how bassists construct lines... [/quote] Perhaps because written on (and for...) piano..?

[quote name='Raymondo' timestamp='1503778918' post='3360901'] Did the gig that was the subject of my happy band tale thread last night... [/quote]

[quote name='flaxholmelis' timestamp='1503838030' post='3361120']...someone to give me goals to work towards... [/quote] Are you sure they're not football lessons..? ...

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1503776873' post='3360888'] Sorry, 'twas I. I felt two stood out above all the others this month. Nothing to do with bad arithmetic. [/quote] Phew..! Thanks for that. No worries, no-one is obliged to vote for three; I just found it odd, and pretty well every month. I'll get back to thinking about important stuff, then. As you were, men; nothing to see here. ([i]Pops back behind the parapet and tries, by telekinesis, to untie his shoelaces. Gives up after a while; they're Velcro, anyway. Twiddles thumbs for a few seconds, then nods off again..[/i].)

[quote name='DJpullchord' timestamp='1503747082' post='3360663'] How come all you guys play covers???? [/quote] Someone has to, or folks would never get to hear 'em performed live.

Mid-'70s, the variety band I was drumming with had a 'Stones' segue, one part of which was 'Satisfaction'. At our first rehearsals, I play 'my' version, with accent splashes and dynamics. The band leader calls it to a halt, and asks me to play 'like the record' (but in French, of course. Do try to keep up... ). I query this, but the fellow insists. 'OK, you're the Boss' (In French, of course...). We go through it again, and I play what's on the record. I don't know if you've listened to it recently..? Mr Watts does a constant 'One-One-One-One' on bass drum, hats pedal and snare drum, all the way through, relentlessly, with no variation at all. The tiny 'lift' in there is only provided by the tambourine doing the 'chink-chink-chink' at the end of each phrase. It's dreadful; absolutely dreadful; boring as hell to play, and even more boring to listen to..! The band leader objected; I get him to listen to the 'real' track (not his memory of it...), and we all happily agree to keep [i]my [/i]interpretation, with its dynamics and accents an' all..! Playing like 'the original hit record' does not [i]always [/i]translate to a 'live' band.

[quote name='super al' timestamp='1503733124' post='3360552'] Wouldn't it be better to have a spare loo roll [/quote] As reading matter..? A bit dull, don't you think..?

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1503708184' post='3360505'] I can... [/quote] ...which is good; very good indeed. When I was drumming with variety bands (mid '70s...), I had to write out the drum parts myself, as they were simply not available. I've never, ever, been handed a drum part; still less asked to play one by sight. I wouldn't have been able to play reading 'real-time' anyway at gigs, however; not for lack of ability (I wrote the parts..!), simply the impracticality of having an A4 folder propped up beside the kit, all the while playing and paying attention to the MC and other musicians..! Most of the work was done at home, in practise sessions, going over the parts and more or less committing them to memory. At the gig, the folder would be there, propped up, but I'd have little time to do much more than turn to the right piece, a cursory glance and we're off on my count... We all have differing needs and levels of experience, so it seems reasonable to me to have different styles and methods of coping with whatever we're doing. For some, a written score is a boon, to others it's a hindrance. As you say: to each his/her own.

Arithmetic tells me that, if that were the case, others have chosen more than three..!

I don't think many people sight-read tab; I don't think many people sight-read dots, either. Experienced musicians, of course, but for most folks that can read music, it's a case of sitting down and deciphering, bar by bar, line by line. Reading a score is one thing, sight-reading in 'real time' whilst playing is an extension of that, but not that many attain that level, in my experience. It depends, of course, in which circles one gravitates, too..

I've always found that a little bit intriguing; five voters have cast fourteen votes. Perfectly legitimate, of course (voting is not [i]yet [/i]obligatory...), but it seems that, every month, someone decides that there are less than three pieces worthy of note. Maybe there's another explanation..? Dunno; just seems odd to me, that's all.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1503690880' post='3360390'] It's apparently notation that isn't worthy of study, not TAB. [/quote] To some, that's true, difficult as it may be to understand.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1503690816' post='3360389'] My point is why spend considerable time learning to play the rhythm, and not the notes? Given that the rhythm his what people struggle with. A piece of notation would be able to be played by other instruments, because it conveys to anyone who can read music, what the note is, not just a fingering position. [/quote] Once again, and not to labour the point (quoi que..!), YOU ARE RIGHT..! It would be advantageous to go that bit further, as you have done, and I, and many others. However, that's not the opinion of very many people..! For whatever reason (we've had eyesight mentioned, but constraints of time, lack of motivation, false perception... The list goes on...); some folks don't even get as far as TAB, for goodness sake. I'm not going to be the one preaching good habits (in this nor many other fields...), and, as a convinced anarchist, can readily accept the decision of others to do things the way they wish. Why stop there..? There are thousands of interesting subjects worthy of deeper study, if one only had the inclination. Some folks are well served and content with TAB. That's fine by me; good luck to 'em in their musical endeavours. Those that study further..? Good luck to them too, of course.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1503690658' post='3360384'] Why wouldn't a 'purist' be able to figure it out? [/quote] Because, apparently, to purists, TAB cannot be worthy of study, and would be binned.

There are none so deaf as those who will not hear; so blind as those who will not see. The question was, is TAB really that evil..? Not 'Is there more than TAB to those wishing to develop further..? Whether anyone is prepared to go that 'extra mile' is up to them. Is the TAB presented above playable or not by guitarists and bass players, that's all. No, it won't be much use to a trombonist, but that's not its purpose. The second guitar would pose problems for a flautist, anyway, as a flute is not a polyphonic instrument. Spurious arguments, each and every time. It does what it does as well as it's been written, just like dots. A badly-written score is a badly-written score. Badly-written TAB is badly written TAB. Well-written stuff, of either ilk, has its place in many people's world. Not everyone's; fine, but many. What is so difficult to accept..?

Just to show what the subject is, here's a BB King to play around with... [attachment=252123:TheThrillIsGone.pdf] (Download and change file name to 'TheThrillIsGone.pdf'...) It looks like this ... ... but complete, of course. Purists won't be able to figure it out, maybe (although they could learn..?), but some of you might appreciate it. Just sayin'.

[quote name='PaulGibsonBass' timestamp='1503677332' post='3360277'] My comment was in reaction to someone saying that the suggested double bass wasn't suitable for rockabilly.... [/quote] To be fair, he actually wrote '...[i]aimed at[/i] rockabilly players.'. The equivalent, maybe, of turning up at a C&W gig with an Ironbird pointy thing and a Marshall stack. T'would work, of course, but that's not the target customer base.

[quote name='dlloyd' timestamp='1503676620' post='3360268'] These are commonly replaced with English in modern scores. [/quote] All around the world..?

[quote name='PaulGibsonBass' timestamp='1503669146' post='3360179'] I don't know much about them, isn't a double bass a double bass? [/quote] Yes, and Lada and Bentley both make cars. ...

Anyone got a preference for 'Do Ré Mi' over C, D, E ..?

[url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_musical_terms_used_in_English"]Wikipedia: List of Italian musical terms used in English ...[/url] Not Latin, indeed, but it might as well be for lots of folks.

And now we'll attract all those feeling offended on behalf of all those belittled Egyptians for the insulting portrayal of their way of walking..! Cheers..!

I've still got my Atari Stacey. I don't use it very much these days, although it works just fine. Just sayin'.