Dad3353

Happy (second...) Birthday; wishing you many happy returns of the day.

Good evening, DJ, and ... [sharedmedia=core:attachments:167528] Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

[quote name='Baronialhall' timestamp='1503168117' post='3356226'] http://youtu.be/6giiYDlqRQs [/quote] Yes..! Just one of soooooo many gems from the brilliant pair: Jorma Kaukonen and Jack Casady, in whatever formation they're playing in. Hot stuff, and more where that came from..!

I gave it a minute and a half.

I'll spare you the horror story behind '[i]Catherine et son ensemble[/i]' (recounted elsewhere here...); I agree that it is all too often the case that the inviting band turns out to be not as 'inviting' as all that..! That's part of the deal, though; when it's good, it is very, very good, but when it is bad it is rotten..!

[quote name='Coilte' timestamp='1503156906' post='3356118'] It would indeed. To each their own, but there are tried and trusted ways for us to learn... [/quote] Nice, but your analogy implies that we're learning to read music (as a language...) from a very early age, in which case I'd agree with you. However, I was taught French at grammar school, from age 11 till 15, and clearly remeber failing dismally, thinking to myself that I'll never use this stuff, so what's it for..? My O-level results reflected this: 2% for the oral, 4% for the written. Note: that's percentages, not a mark out of 10 or 20. Fast forward to my mid-twenties... For diverse reasons, I moved to France. I spent 6 months unable to understand, and 6 months more able to understand, but unable to reply. Over time, the lingo has filtered in, by necessity, and I would class myself now as modestly fluent, without formal training (and so 'warts 'n all'...). All this to illustrate that, depending upon one's motivations; needs and imperatives, there are many paths to Rome. Learning (anything...) is a complex affair, and does not work in the same way for everyone, at every age. I'd finish with another, equally flawed, analogy. Learning to fly model aircraft is a skill set. Flying a light aircraft, solo, is an extension of that. Becoming a commercial pilot takes it further, test pilot further still. To become an astronaut one has to build still more on the rest. Those playing music on the 'model aircraft' level would glean little advantage in following the career path of an astronaut. To each his orher own.

Good evening, Ben, and ... [sharedmedia=core:attachments:167528] Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

Good evening, Steve, and ... [sharedmedia=core:attachments:167528] Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share.

[quote name='DaveFry' timestamp='1503145418' post='3356029'] Who was this playing bass back in '76 please ?... [/quote] [url="http://www.philupchurch.com/1970.htm"]Phil Upchurch ...[/url]

I'd say it's an error to connect reading standard music notation and learning (understanding...) music theory. It's very possible to do either without necessarily doing the other. Playing from tab and having music knowledge is perfectly feasible, too. Reading from a score is obviously better than not being able to (as is reading ancient Greek or Somalian; other foreign languages are available...), but does not preclude musical ability, technique or talent. Sight reading (that's to say, being able to play at the tempo of the piece from first read-through...) is yet another aspect, and a useful skill to have, but not indispensable for many musicians.

I'd rather have a band mate let me know if they think whatever I'm playing seems not to be appropriate, or could be improved, whether on drums, bass or whatever. Similarly, I wouldn't hesitate in discussing issues with their contribution; the method or tactfulness would depend on our relationship, and would vary between politely suggesting an alternative to chucking my drumsticks in the air and swearing volubly. Whatever works best in the circumstances; it's just a matter of communicating in an effective manner.

[quote name='Rich' timestamp='1503096850' post='3355770'] Oi. We'll have less of this jollity nonsense, thank you [i]very[/i] much. [/quote]

[quote name='markdavid' timestamp='1503096945' post='3355772'] Well i think it was somewhere along the lines of"can you not play that fancy slide bit as they don't play that in the original song" i forget the exact words used [/quote] Ah, that's more like it..! Phew..! For a moment there...

[quote name='markdavid' timestamp='1503094591' post='3355750']... the drummer told me... [/quote] What..? 'The drummer asked me...', 'the drummer suggested...', 'the drummer proposed...' I could understand, but 'the drummer told me...'..?

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1503079832' post='3355612'] My (slight) issue with tab is that although it does basically the same thing as standard notation it only does it for one specific instrument at a time, and only for stringed instruments. It feels a little isolated, almost like guitar and bass players consider themselves guitar and bass players, not musicians. [/quote] The same could be said of drum parts, which are instrument-specific. It's just the nature of the beast, really.

Before what is now 'standard' notation, tab (short for tablature...) was the means of communicating for all serious musicians and composers, including for song. It has its limitations; it also has its strengths. Nothing wrong with using tab and/or 'dots'; everyone chooses what they find best suited to their purpose at any one time. I use both, and other systems too. As an aside, how, with 'dots' is one supposed to convey tone, such as fuzz, or 'grit'..? Dots have their limitations too, in some circumstances.

[quote name='Rich' timestamp='1503060723' post='3355406'] I think I'll go out on a limb (Though I fear it will make me look dim) And say spending all hours On this forum of ours Is really a big waste of TIM. [/quote] This is soooooo close to the bone I maybe should stop posting here Though my sentiments are quite sincere And I feel that I'm not so alone Enough..! I hear you moan 'Tis too much to take For goodness sake Control your testerone The seeds that have been sown Will grow and grow Manifesto Of words together thrown Before it gets full-blown I'll call a halt Afore assault And from this forum thrown

[quote name='Nicko' timestamp='1503058416' post='3355373'] Good stuff, but clearly you have too much time on your hands. [/quote] Yes. Old, you see, and getting older I'll stop before my meal gets colder

When I first arrived in France, mid '70s, I was mainly playing drums in variety bands, but did get the occasional offer of bass-playing, usually with rather modest wedding bands, centred around a Voice with an Accordion.. The repertoire was, for me at the time, completely unknown, so, to me, count as 'originals', as I'd never heard them before, nor had any idea as to how they were constructed. On drums, it's not difficult (or so I found...); once I got into the trick of playing a soft shuffle on the hats, and the occasional light splash or accent, I fitted in quite nicely. Bass, however, was a continual concentration of listening, and listening hard, for what was going on. No guitar, often enough, to follow or watch, and an accordion, even if played well (not always the case...) is more difficult to 'read' from across the stage, so it was usually just a case of finding a suitable root and fifth, choosing a suitable rhythm or lilt and winging it, from 9 till 2 in the morning, sometimes longer. It was never a complete train wreck (well, not from my modest playing; sometimes the others would frig it up a bit...), and in every case the dancers were satisfied, called out for more, and congratulated the whole band afterwards. The most modern numbers would be a twist or two, maybe a light rock, Elvis-style, but mostly foxtrots, paso dobles, tangos and the like. No 'Rhythm Stick or the like, of course..! Depping..? Great stuff, but there is much variation in those waters; they can run very deep, or just enough to get one's toes wet. A fascinating school, in any case..

PJ Proby, early '60s..? PJ Harvey came much later, late '80s. Hope this helps.

[quote name='Cato' timestamp='1503013425' post='3355125'] Does anyone know the rest of that limerick? I've only ever heard the first line. [/quote] Actually, it's quite neat... There once was a man from Nantucket Who kept all his cash in a bucket. But his daughter, named Nan, Ran away with a man And as for the bucket, Nantucket

[quote name='bazztard' timestamp='1502983048' post='3354863']...the number of things wrong with that particlular one, like the tuners and all the dings and the nut... [/quote] All easy and inexpensive fixes, to be fair, no..?

Do you gig with your pre CBS? No, you don't, I would hazard a guess You'll leave it behind Even though you're inclined In your playing, to slowly regress Noob question! 3rd's 5th's 7th's 10th's? Just ignore them, but play to your strengths You'll be at your ease Without this Chinese Unless you go to great lengths Does anything sell on Basschat? Pretty much, at the drop of a hat It flies from the shelves Excepting the Elves That TE still have to work at To J Bass or not to J bass! This is neither the time nor the place Get the playing just right And, with luck, you might Find your present guitar is just ace Simple but perfectly formed To this subject my heart has been warmed It's not merely a whim I'll go out on a limb In suggesting that I've been brainstormed

I'll not be tempted with this frre trial stuff; Christmas is too far away.