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What's your remaining question regarding the Pre and PreX..? These are not the most common interfaces to be found in domestic settings, so there's less folks with 'hands on' experience with 'em. We use Motus (Traveller and another I've forgotten the name of...); I can't imagine that interfaces in these ranges are really, really bad. I thought it had come down to 'get stuck in first, then see what you need/want after a while'; is that not the situation..?

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1476304582' post='3153265'] Have you seen Dad3353's live show! [/quote] Oi, less of that..! I'll have you know that [i]some [/i]vintage kit is quite decent..! (... [i]and I'll claim first dibs on any Hiwatt stuff you stumble across, please.[/i] )

Superlux HD 669. Not cheap; inexpensive.

[quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1476275854' post='3152904'] Exactly! I was a bedroom warrior for [u]forty[/u] years before I started gigging, I've gigged for the last nine or ten years, from the age of 56, and it now looks like there is a very good chance that I might have to go back to being a bedroom warrior again due to health issues, so why would I look down on people for doing exactly what I've been doing myself for most of my life? Like I've said more than once now, I am just interested to know what others do as an alternative to gigging because I could do with some ideas, at the moment, I'm seriously thinking of going into home recording, but I'm also looking for other possibilities as well. [/quote] I'm in pretty well exactly this same position, what with being old 'n all; there's very little gigging now to be done. It's hard enough getting up from my armchair, let alone load-in, load-out. Our music room has been commandeered by our eldest for now for joinery, but we'll get The Daub"z rehearsing again soon enough, and, with a bit of luck, may be able to manage a gig or two in the coming year, if all goes well. I'm lucky in having great support (physically and morally...) from my family and band mates, and there'll be a day (soon; too soon...) when I won't be able to play my drums at all. Meanwhile, I'll continue to be interested in all things musical, including (but not exclusively...) bass, and continue to compose my stuff using my modest PC and virtual instruments. There is a life (of sorts...) off stage and out of the limelight. I'm glad I did it and wouldn't change a thing, but the wheel turns, and so I turn with it. Regrets..? None at all. Did I hit the Big Time..? Nah, and it's not sour grapes to say that I never aimed that high (or low..?). There's much more to Life in general than gigging, for me, but I'll still do what little I can as long as I can, as it's a blast on a Good Night.

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1476270232' post='3152830']... give to the soundguy to provide me with my own mix in my IEM earphones?... [/quote] That would depend, amongst other factors, of there being a monitor channel free for this. Modern digital desks usually have enough monitor outputs, but many traditional desks have only 2 for monitors; maybe 4, and they may all be used, in which case you'd have to share a mix with others. Just a thought.

[quote name='cheddatom' timestamp='1476269061' post='3152817'] the specific situation I recently came across was like this... [/quote] Could you render the track(s) that the fellow requires in his monitoring to one stereo track, then use only [i]that [/i]for recording his new stuff..? There's be no latency from processing that way... Just my tuppence-worth.

[quote name='JTUK' timestamp='1476118620' post='3151503'] what alternative to Soundcloud.. [/quote] Dropbox, Google Drive, Youtube... The list is long. What's the beef with Soundcloud, though..? It's free, and easy enough. Still, the important bit is the Noodle, not the medium. Pdf, anyone..?

[quote name='Agwin' timestamp='1476118287' post='3151494'] Certificate printed and on the fridge - thanks Dad [/quote]

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They are both of an almost identical spec, concerning sound quality and features; the PreX is rather cased to be racked into a studio and never moved around, and so has the connectors doubled up. This would allow having both jacks and Xlr's connected, and the choice of which to use done through software. The Pre version has combi connectors; one would plug in a jack, or an Xlr, but not both at the same time. For your use, I'd suggest that the PreX features are not necessary. If 8 channels are not enough, either (or any...) of this range can be interconnected to expand the total inputs. It's possible, for instance, to add a Pre4, which would give a total of 12, or a second Pre8, to get 16 channels.The protocol that enables this is ASAT; it's just a way of getting stuff to work together, like MIDI, or USB. ASAT equipment 'talks' to other ASAT equipment, that's all. A clock is used for synchronising interconnected gear, much like an orchestral conductor. A world clock gives a common timing signal to all, so that the signals stay coherent. It's not a big deal with only an interface and a Mac, but once one gets lots of outboard accessories, such as reverbs, or other recording devices, it's required that one or other of the machines takes control of timing. In your set-up, I'd say it's of no importance; it's perhaps nice to know, however, that it's there if ever it becomes necessary. How does all this stuff work..? Magic, my lad; magic. I'd just add the warning that, for recording, live, a whole group, having all of those inputs available is only one of the aspects. Trying to keep each channel clear of the other instruments becomes important, as is microphone choice and placing. It's good to have excellent equipment from a technical point of view, but it's only going to be as good as the weakest link; any more is 'overkill', and won't give a better result. Not to say that your choice is not good (it is..!), but it can't give any more than the quality of signal going in. It's quite a challenge micing up this way, so don't expect to get Abbey Road results, despite the quality of your gear. You're off to a roaring start, though, I'll grant you that..!

Good to see you here, old bean. I can't help at all with the usage of Logic (I use Reaper on a PC...), but an easy entry into recording/mixing is to just do a bit for a while, just to get your feet into the slippers, so to speak. Do you already have a set of multi-track 'stems' to play around with..? A good start might be a drum kit, one track per instrument. Play the kit in a loop, and Solo the bass drum, for instance, and try out the EQ that you have. Choose a frequency and sweep up and down, listening to the effect on the drum sound. Same for the snare, the toms, hi-hat... you get the picture. Add a bass guitar, same exercise. Use a compression fx, and play around, firstly with its presets, then by tweaking the Attack, Threshold etc yourself, listen to what happens. Solo the bass drum and the bass, together, and try to find a 'sweet spot', where they sound best together, both in volume terms and in 'sonic space'. See what happens if you separate them slightly by 'panning'. Try 'hard panning'; does it sound good or not..? Two or three evenings messing around in this way will bring to the fore the keyboard shortcuts that'll make life easier, and make you hunt around (at first...) for the basic tools you'll be using mostly in the future. Read the manual, do things slowly and deliberately, so that the Good Habits get a chance to develop. Use either your own band's material, or any set of stems you can find. Another, more general, piece of advice... Keep your monitoring levels low. Use a headset for just messing about, but beware of Soloing an instrument which comes through at full blast. Force yourself to 'listen', rather than 'hear'. Once you're happy with something, then switch to monitors and listen again. When happy with that (there may be some retouching to do...), then turn up to a more 'normal' listening level. One last thing... When mixing stuff in stereo, use Mono to get the balance right between the instruments, then separate 'em with stereo. A Mono mix will give a better judgement of the total mix, in general. Does this help..?

It's not theory that creates music; it's music that creates theory. There is not one theory, but one theory for every style of music. Theory (tries to...) explain (or justify...) that which is played, but firstly it has to be played. Gregorian chant has its theory. Dixieland jazz has its theory. Romantic orchestral has its theory. Satie has its theory. Elvis has its theory. They can be mixed and matched (or not...), but contain different 'codes' and explanations as to why things sound the way they do, and how to create such-and-such an effect. One cannot compose Beethovenien symphonies using Bebop. One cannot create Bebop using Beethoven. All is good, and one may, if one chooses, ignore them all and create a new 'code'.

[quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1475787225' post='3148842'] Thanks everybody... [/quote] What..? Are you still here..? Get yourself over to the Recording section immediately..! ([i]Non, mais..! Quelle toupée..! Harrumph..![/i])

[quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1475774606' post='3148704'] [font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][color=#282828]EDM (it took me a while to know what that even stands for...),..[/color][/font] [/quote] Your Mac is well up in the high end of the range; no problems there. Don't forget to back stuff up from time to time, of course (weekly..?). And yes, sorry; Electronic Dance Music (OK, a bit late...). One advantage with duff ears is that there's no point going overboard with uber-expensive headphones and monitors. Not rubbish either, of course, but those last tinkling decibels in the ultrasonic are entirely wasted on an old fogey such as I, at any rate. Robust, well-rated, semi-pro gear rather than next week's fashion is slightly less expensive, and leaves a bit more cash for decent Vst instruments or mixing tools. Not that one needs that much, I find. A decent EQ, a modest compressor, an airy delay and reverb and most bases are covered. There's an excellent site, I might add, which makes available a whole host of raw 'stems' (the individual tracks that compose a song...) to download and mix for oneself, and even compare with other mixes. A good 'parallel' exercise to one's own efforts, to try things out, hear how others do things and generally get used to manipulating one's equipment and software. It's free, and much fun. The bloke that runs it is a splendid fellow, who answers queries, too, even my 'noobie' ones... [url="http://www.cambridge-mt.com/ms-mtk.htm"]Mike Senior 'Mixing Secrets'...[/url] One last word of advice... Don't do as I did, and download/install a whole slurry of Vst stuff, just because they're free (and very good, mostly...). It's a disease not recognised by the medical profession, and difficult to cure once it's taken hold. I'm slowly recovering, but still have well over 100 plugins that I've not even had any time to listen to, let alone master, and have since learned that 'less is more', at least for the first 40 years or so. You have been amply warned (but I fully expect you'll be treading the same rocky road as all of us once the bug's bite takes hold...). In any case, have fun.

Is it not normal practice to incorporate some sort of penalty clause into such orders/contracts..? A 1% discount for every week overdue, or similar..? If not, why not..?

[quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1475754957' post='3148468']...this could be my new hobby in my "old git" years. [/quote] [quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1475757745' post='3148501'] Do it! Do it! Do it! ... [/quote] Don't listen to those siren calls..! That way, madness lies. How do I know this..? Don't ask..! On a more positive note (maybe..?), be aware, if not already, that one's hearing in later years is seldom as pristine as early youth, and much worse than one would hope for. This makes music production and mixing especially difficult. Is there hope..? Yes, but some self-criticism becomes rather important. My trick (for what it's worth...) is to compare my stuff with other, commercial, renderings, to judge (badly...) whether I've got too much bass or treble in there. After a long career in drumming, and rock generally, plus advancing years, my ears are, to use a technical term, 'shot'. I therefore am basically mixing 'blind' most of the time. I'll make an adjustment of, say, 6db, so that I hear the difference, then apply half of that. My general 'rule of thumb' is that, if I can hear it, it's too much. It can be frustrating at times, so I very seldom go in for 'micro-management', and trust my first instincts rather better than long hours of listening to inaudible (to me...) details. Broad stroke of the brush, in other words. I'm also spoilt, in that my tastes are rather 'old-school', even classical, and I'm not at all at ease with modern EDM (it took me a while to know what that even stands for...). Trombones; now there's an instrument I can hear and deal with. None of this oscilloscope whistling or arp synth sweeps for me (well, all right; just a little, then...). No 'big beat' thump thump thump either. Timpani, that's the stuff, or, at least, a rock beat.Pshaw..! The joys of becoming 'senior' is that I can be grumpy and folks find it normal. No, best, after all, to see about crossword puzzles, or whittling, putting ships into bottles or growing dahlias. S'not for the old, this malarkey. How do I know this..? Don't ask... ([i]Now then, where's my Digestives..? I had a packet, there were some left. Darn it..! On the table, so I'll have to leave my armchair..! Nurse..! Nurse..?[/i] ...)

+1 for the above, put more succinctly than I would have done. The stuff about chord tones is the one, especially in the more 'jazz' styles. What to do..? Get some tracks that you like, in the style you're working on, and listen to them, then transcribe them. The way the bass is adding to the overall music should become evident, over time. Practise scales etc if you want, but I wouldn't advise trying to apply scales to music in such a mathematical way; that's not what it's about. Listening, feeling the root and the melody, helping it all along both rhythmically and harmonically... Leave shapes alone, too. Your ears, in time, will guide your fingers, not the shapes. Just my tuppence-worth; hope it helps.

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Duly noted and passed on to Higher Authority. Cheers.

To this, perhaps..? [b]You will be charged, for items over £50, £7 per item, or £20 for unlimited items for a year.[/b] I'll pass the message on ...

No, it's because I've just posted a bagful of magic influence. No need to thank me; I should have done it sooner. T'Interweb needs a healthy dose of magic to run smoothly. I tried prayer, but find it much less effective than magic. 25 lb sledges help, too, especially with Macs. Glas it's fixed, anyhow; well done.

[quote name='thebrig' timestamp='1475492758' post='3146295']...what am I doing wrong? [/quote] I don't know what's wrong, but here's a couple of screen shots showing how I just did this. What are you doing that's different..? [spoiler] [/spoiler] Are you using a PC, a Mac or (Horror... Shock...) a 'phone..? Maybe the cause is there..?

It's maybe appropriate that I should be using Reaper for this. Here's the result... [url="https://soundcloud.com/dad3353/dance-to-the-devils-cord"]Dance To The Devil's Cord ...[/url] Enjoy.