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[quote name='AndrewJordan' timestamp='1460116400' post='3022717'] We always have to mic the kit no matter how small the venue. Drummer hits his cymbals so *kin hard you can't hear the rest of the kit, then the rest of us have to get loud enough to match him! [/quote] The answer could be to [i]not[/i] mic up, and [i]not[/i] turn up to match levels. Let Animal play his cymbal solo for a gig or two; if he doesn't realise what's going on, find a [i]real[/i] drummer (a [i]musician[/i], not a lumberjack...) and swap 'em. Disclaimer: I'm a drummer. No drum kit needs micing up to make up for cymbal volume, period.

[quote name='karlfer' timestamp='1460113893' post='3022686']...Any thoughts anybody?... [/quote] I can't speak for all makes and models, but the couple of instruments that I [i]do [/i]take an interest in are becoming ever more rare for sale, and the asking prices are systematically on the increase. Some are in 'museum' condition, which could, from a certain point of view, justify their holding their value; others are shockingly badly treated, heavily modified (or butchered...), but still with an inordinately high (to me...) price tag. Asking price is not always a true judge, of course, as often these instruments don't sell at those prices, so we see the 'same old same old' appear time and time again (much like the Tennessee 15-string horror currently followed on a BC topic...). It's much the same with the amps that I look at; the 'real deal' '70s ones continue to rise in price, I'd say.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1460110782' post='3022642'] Some people don't like anything. [/quote] True, dat.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1460110342' post='3022633']...Joining in any discussion about gear if you haven't used and heard said gear yourself, in a real-world situation, is fruitless speculation at best. [/quote] Some people don't like fruit.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1460096417' post='3022455']... The title comes from the moment when his first band upgraded their one, shared combo to a WEM Dominator, rated at 17 watts. They weren't sure what they were going to do with all that power ... [/quote] Not quite analogous, but made me smile; brought back memories of the Atari 520, with its 68K proc. The Z80 and Intel machines at the time were limited to 64K direct memory access (8-bit...); suddenly this became 16- and 32-bit and we wondered, at the time, what the heck all that memory (a heady 512kb...) could be used for..! It seems like only yesterday..! The PC on which I type this has a fairly modest 12 Gb..! How times change.

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1460109433' post='3022619'] maybe it just sounded louder in the 'old days' because everything was so distorted [/quote] Age-induced deafness changes one's perception, too. Everything is so much more muted and muffled these days; everybody's mumbling, it seems to me.

[quote name='Kevin Dean' timestamp='1460071110' post='3022423'] Any suggestions for a cheap Mic to put over snare / Hi hat ..thanks [/quote] Is this to be a solo 'overhead' mic, with a bass drum, or is it to be integrated into a fully-miced kit, ie: toms and overheads for the cymbals an' all..? For the former, for recording, a simple SM57 (or clone...) will give decent results if carefully placed. For the second, a small diaphragm condenser mic aimed across both can work, but separate mics for HH and snare gives far better control, if the console has enough entries. If you don't mind 'bleed' from the rest of the kit (ie: 'live' use...), I use a large diaphragm condenser mic for overhead, aimed roughly over the snare/HH and a dynamic on the bass drum. The mics I use are Superlux; Thomann do very good 'budget' mics that would suit, including (Superlux large diaphragm...) E205 at £30, (T-Bone small diaphragm...) EM700 at £23 and (T-Bone dynamic...) CD56 at .£30. Don't forget that condenser mics need phantom power, usually. Hope this helps.

Maybe define what is meant by 'in the past'..? If one follows a certain notion of 'time-line', bands in the fifties had much the same drums as today, but played with brushes, tapping out light dance music behind a horn section. Bill Haley and such opened up the 'rock'n'roll' can of worms, and electric skiffle and rock crept in. Still, typically local pub bands would be playing Motown-type stuff, with the drums kept in their place. Led Zep et al brought in 'concert toms', miced up drums for live outdoors crept in, and all instruments could (and did...) play to their full acoustic potential and more. The PA was invented (WEM,anyone..?) and the loudness war wick was lit. It became a kind of badge of honour to be louder than others (Who, Motorhead etc...) and local bands took on these repertoires and playing styles. To this day, a heavy metal band won't be able to perform much without at least a decent PA to get the sub-sonic shouting across..! Drums have not changed all that much, it's just that the cymbals break less often under the heavy pelting they're often (shamefully...) subjected to. In those circumstances, yes, more sound pressure is 'needed' to 'compete', but is that music..? Hmm... There is no cut'n'dried scale for watts needed, as it depends so much on the attitude of the band members; are they pretending they're at Hyde Park or interested in entertaining a couple of hundred folks on the dance floor..? Is there an acoustic guitar as principal instrument, or a pair of 7-string Les Paul's..? Is the band vocal-based or shouty punk..? No rules, you see. Need valve-driven grind..? Looking for clean with headroom..? Stand-alone or with PA..? 'Back then', it was so easy; one used whatever one came across and could afford. My first bass amp was a 30-watt Linear Conchord, I replaced it with a home-built 100w trannie amp (4 x 2N3055 for the nostalgic...) and equally home-built 4 x 12 cab, measuring 3'x3'x1', covered in turquoise floor vinyl..! We're all spoilt these days, for choice. Tough, isn't it..? Not much sense, I'd say, in harking back, as the game has changed (and continues to change...) so much. If there's any doubt as to what to get, look at equivalent groups in your area and see what they do.

[quote name='Leonard Smalls' timestamp='1460037355' post='3021966'] So far I've done slappy funk complete with 70s phased drums, wah-ed guitar and a Fender Rhodes... [/quote] We really must stop linking minds in this fashion; it's becoming quite worrying, bordering on the obscene. I'm afraid that it's too late for the video, too, as I've 'doctored' it somewhat to incorporate pictorial memories of Jono. Not ideal, technically, on my modest equipment, but I think the general gist is there. Jono is represented by the trombone and vibraphone; I hope it's a good match..?

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1459630973' post='3018273'] I've done all 3 of the above many times, non ever had a charity bar or charity buffet laid on. [/quote] ... as have I, often with a volunteer-run bar and/or buffet or restauration, usually with all proceeds (not profit; proceeds...) going to the charity concerned. If anyone [i]was [/i]getting paid for their part of the proceedings, I'd still do it; I'm not the jealous kind. Daft..? Yes, I know, and happy to be.

This has been/still is a fascinating topic to follow; I sometimes even flatter myself into thinking that I understand parts of it..! I've never used a digital console 'in anger', and admire the mental translation from trad desks to 'virtual'. I spent a good few years as a 'lighter', using a laptop for programming events, as well as the traditional lighting desks, and can well appreciate just how exhilarating it can be to have an evening go off well after having made some discovery or stumbled upon a corker of an idea. Thanks for posting, and keep it up; it all makes for a very good read. Cheers.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1459993930' post='3021632'] [/quote] ... and sneed. You forgot sneed.

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1459988560' post='3021624'] I got two 'sneeds' in there - how many more d'you want? [/quote] In where..?

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1459987677' post='3021617'] I know exactly what you mean. As one reaches those autumn years it's good to have something that keeps your mind elephant boggler sneed sneed ashtray cheese on toasty lampost-buggery. [/quote] ... and sneed. You forgot sneed.

[quote name='Hector' timestamp='1459896012' post='3020738']...Would love to know what you guys think...[/quote] I think you (all...) pull it off very nicely. It so happens that Joni is one of my all time, all time favourites, across the board, and this particular song strikes resonant notes with me on a personal level, so I'd be rather uninclined to be generous if you balls it up. Well, you didn't. The intro gave me some qualms, but it [George Formby] "turned out nice again"...[George Formby], to my relief. Another preparation for shuddering when you go off into the 'Wizard of Oz-Dream Sequence', but, once again, it all hangs in (or is that 'out'..?) very well. A couple of quibbles, of course; you not all getting off entirely scot-free. The recording quality is pretty good for all but the poor old drums, which suffer badly from the all-too-old-school 'recorded in the kitchen with one mic' syndrome. A shame; it's out of kilter with the rest of you. On a purely technical, playing, note, I prefer that the hi-hat maintain the 'chip chip chip' back beat a bit more (but then again, I'm old...). The bass..? Oh yes,the bass. Holds it down nicely; could have been a touch more adventurous, whilst keeping to the spirit, I thought, but I don't know how long (if at all..?) you've been playing this number together. It seems as if you're erring on the side of caution; no bad thing. Could 'open up' a little in time. Nice keys, sensitive sax, discreet drums, all cladding over a solid timber-framed bass. Joni would have liked it, too, I'd wager (but I'm not a betting man...) Thanks for sharing; congratulations offered to all involved, respect.

[quote name='Skol303' timestamp='1459857498' post='3020268']... So there is certainly a place for a limiter in your signal chain. But only when appropriate. [/quote] Certainly, but my innate modesty forbids me those pretentions. Whatever was good enough for Sibelius is good enough for me. [quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1459859796' post='3020299'] Have you heard the Sleigh Bells album "Treats"?... [/quote] Now how on Earth did this manage to slip past my musical radar..? Normally, minimum politeness expects at least a 'Thanks for sharing', so, no hard feelings and [Gritted teeth]Thanks for sharing.[/Gritted teeth] (... although, to be fair, it [i]is [/i]an appropriate, telling example of the effect being discussed, rather than 'recommended listening'..! )

^ Another vote for same; multi-band compression, bands chosen depending on genre, 'glue' for the whole shebang, and leave, always, a bit of headroom spare. There's nothing whatever to be gained (no pun intended...) in getting even close to 0db. I usually finalise at -3, simply by commodity. I've never used a limiter.

Voted, and well done, all. I'd like to have chosen more than 3 (being greedy, as I am...). I may have a go next time around; t'will be an occasion, perhaps, to give the baritone a run. Hmm...

Another satisfied Superlux user (HD669, closed back..), used for everything, from listening to R4, composing and mixing, Skype... Everything. Disclaimer: my aged hearing is far from optimum.

[i]Yawn[/i]... See post #125...

[quote name='Mykesbass' timestamp='1459802277' post='3019886'] I'm probably a bit odd... [/quote] Odd, perhaps, but not alone; I'll even see your playability forgiveness and raise you a tone flexibility. I find that, whatever tone (whatever that is..?) on an instrument, I play to it, and (bagpipes excepted...) find I can get along very well with it. I'm never looking to impose what [i]I [/i]want, but rather trying to get the best out of what's on offer. Same with playability; on bass, fat neck, short scale; even 'lefty' at the extreme end of the scale, I'll get what I can from it. It's true that I'm not (nor trying to be...) virtuoso on any instrument, and don't, or rather, no longer, spend hours on end with a bass on my shoulder. It makes it easier (not easy, but easier..!) to enjoy most instruments. I'm not the grouchy type, either; that helps, maybe..,?

[quote name='bubinga5' timestamp='1459788991' post='3019653'] Can you get notifications for replied posts you might get from BassChat through email or any other way? you'd think i might know this wouldn't you being a member since Bass world back in 2006 [/quote] Have a look at your Profile (found through your ID, top right...); more especially 'My Settings'. On the left is a menu entry 'Notification Options', which will give you a pretty comprehensive selection of options. Email, of course, but also the Notification List, which is at the top right of each page, just beside your ID. You can get notification of individual topics, or forums, folks that have quoted you, and more. Hope this helps...