Kev

I have to say, I've never looked at the PSA before, but checking it out on the website, it seems to bear very little resemblance? No recording interface, no compressor or multiband compressor circuit, no IR loader? Does it even have a headphone out, or any kind of aux in, bluetooth or otherwise? It just seems to be an updated programmable drive pedal with additional midi control (a feature I forgot to mention about the ADAM, albeit by TRS)? And its only £100 or so less? Sorry if I'm missing something!! I'm really unfamiliar with the current Tech 21 range.

Almost all your points are, again, applicable to all other builders like EBBM, and yet price rises haven't been seen anything like it elsewhere. They also don't address the huge rise in the UK and not so huge rise anywhere else (yet), which should have nothing to do with Brexit. You clearly fall comfortably into the "defend" category of players I mentioned earlier and that's fair enough, I have similar loyalties to a couple of brands, but the points being raised are very valid, and they are going to hurt EBBM's sales unless they provide an explanation. Standard Musicman Stingray basses are not £3k instruments, they just aren't, at the spec they are a built to. You can get a custom bass for that money.

Well, mine arrived at the end of last week. Been some significant delays in the UK distributor getting stock but I think they'll come through shortly as new batches are leaving the factory. In short, its fantastic. It easily has the nicest clean section of any preamp they have made, lots of magic going on under the hood in the clean sidechain. The distortion engines start at a pretty high gain really and go up to a really fuzz/synthy distortion when mode 5 is cranked, but Darkglass are bringing in a firmware update to allow for lower gain in the very near future to improve the range and allow lower gain. There is quite an array of sounds you can get from each engine, and happy to say that there is a LOT more than Nolly tones you get in it, and a huge part of the tone you hear in the demo is indeed the Dingwall character shining blindingly through. It's very sensitive to what goes in, and my Warwick/Alpher sound nothing like the Nolly demos through it. The compressor feels very similar to the FET mode in the Hyper Luminal, which in turn feels similar to the Cali76 compressor style, works really well. It's £469, so a good £70+ more than the previous Ultra pedals, but when you consider that you get:- Compressor pedal with adjustable ratios etc Five distortion engines, which cover a lot more ground than any previous Darkglass circuit Three presets, with audition mode/stage mode Five IRs on board and switchable A tuner (which actually works really well, suprisingly) A fully functional multichannel audio interface over USB-C Bluetooth connectivity to send music in and allows control over aspects of the pedal, including IRs. Headphone Amp ...well, it covers the ground of at least three other pedals in the Darkglass range alone, and I can't name another single box solution like this that does so much. It's an outstanding unit. Huge Shock - Kev likes a Darkglass pedal. But honestly, even if you forget about the distortion side of the pedal for a second, its such a capable unit.

Yeah, sorry that's what I mean by lower grade, and wood with less attractive grain is almost always cheaper to buy, and therefore use.

Which is usually a sign of a lower grade of wood. To catch up, we are at heavier, lower quality woods being used than the last runs, and they're being sold for around £800 or more more?

Ah, they’re sold by weight then, maybe? 🤔 🤔

That’s fine, you just ran it at 9V instead and it was identical! Save yourself a few hundred quid and buy the TX! 😁

Not too worried if it does to be honest, I have a more than adequate audit trail to show that Musik Productiv would need to reimburse all costs, would just be a faff!

The biggest clue is that, generally speaking if not in your specific situation, the cost of most things listed on Thomann has just dropped 20%, and will be approx 20% less than the UK price. You would think that would prompt the thought process of why a little, particularly if theyre no stranger to Thomann. By the way, 5 days now since I received my Musik-Productiv order that charged a price including all VAT/Duty, and no letter requesting any money from UPS yet...

Nice board, may want to get some filter sounds on it though.

I don't know, to me the excluding VAT warning jumps out at me, and I'm sure it warns you in the checkout too. I don't really buy this "surprise" thing, as without putting in bold on the page UK BUYERS YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY MORE, I don't know what else shops can do.

Thomann are listing Ex VAT, so that £499 and £511 will be 20% more, before considering duty/handling.

Why would you say that? I haven’t seen a boss board for a longggg time.

It appears that Andertons, whilst they do for some instruments, don't put up actual pictures for the Stingrays they stock, with the serial number etc. So its difficult to tell, but if its still listed on their website, I find it highly unlikely the last time they sold one it was built three years ago. How about this one https://www.andertons.co.uk/music-man-stingray-charcoal-sparkle-roasted-maple-ebony-black-pickguard Pretty special looking Stingray in my eyes, available for preorder now but does not appear to be part of the 2021 run as its available sooner, and its £1,999 (not reduced)?

Walk me through these two? https://www.andertons.co.uk/music-man-stingray-dropped-copper-roasted-maple-maple-white-pickguard £1,899. https://www.andertons.co.uk/music-man-stingray-special-snowy-night-roasted-maple-maple-matching-headstock-white-pg-chrome-hardware £2,999. Bear in mind I have very little knowledge of the current Stingray range, but all I see here are two basses identified as Stingray Specials, in unique finishes, one 2020 (presumably) and the other 2021, and an £1,100 price increase (£900 if you take the price before discount, which would be fairer).

On that basis, presumably we will see identical rises in Europe? Ill keep an eye out for them, but as already mentioned, other brands will suffer the exact same increases, yet these increases haven't been seen elsewhere, yet. But we shall see. I'm not sure why you keep talking about old prices, there have been comments in this thread showing live listings that are still on Andertons now, showing an £800 or so difference older stock and the upcoming stock. I don't think anything highlights the difference better than that....

https://reverb.com/uk/p/origin-effects-cali76-tx-limiting-amplifier?hfid=38296310&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=1726164661&utm_content=campaignid=1726164661_adgroupid=70264195649_productpartitionid=973400953367=merchantid=242570462_productid=38296310_keyword=_device=c_adposition=_matchtype=_creative=391637461803&gclid=CjwKCAiA9bmABhBbEiwASb35V8pQmhSibiZ3C2cNbloLRTCuV-hyHb5OD0xafIqrDreQgyPre4T7FBoCoRgQAvD_BwE And the £950 Bass Gallery one was a standard? 😂

Insane!! The CB nails the tone of the big box non-transformer version comfortably, having owned both I can't think why someone would spend 4 times more and sacrifice all the board space for the big one. They're the same! Transformer ones are different and they do sound different for sure, but still. Silly money.

I think it just shows contempt for their devoted players who will, undoubtedly, defend and keep buying.

For some reason Thomann always had them much lower than other shops anyway, think it was £43 before...

Not experienced that, not even sure where any noise could come from. There is nothing to them really, just hardwired sockets. Ultimately, there is nothing about the MOD that I NEED, it just makes life easier. Thomann reduced it to £20 so I just grabbed it. The boards look fine without one though 👍🏻

I’ve not had it long! It’s really cool, the plan was to use it add some “ambience” to make clean parts more interesting, but it has some crazy modulation in it, real wacky yet usable tones, so much experimenting will be done!

Just finished rewiring my RockboardTres 3.1 with the Mod 3 module, it works great! I went for this Mod so I can split the DI signal to IEMs and FOH without having to remember to carry a splitter around with me. And the little jumper cable is wired so that when I want to plug my bass in with a cable, rather than wireless, I just unplug C and plug right in 🤘🏻 Warwick have really nailed this pedalboard system, I love it! Oh, and new Darkglass ofc 😁😉

That bass is comfortably the best sounding off the bunch for me! I really like the character of it. I honestly found the multi scale to be the worst in the comparison riffs, closely followed by the poplar euro. Super glassy and sterile in comparison, very scooped sounding. Which is particularly odd for the bart loaded one, as they're literally the opposite of that normally, if anything. What's with separate volume controls on these?

Very well balanced. I haven't had an NT 4 Thumb that has had any neck dive issues. The 5 strings and bolt on models suffer a lot more from it.