charic

Silly sod BC is a great place to buy 2nd hand but I would suggest getting a chance to actually try it out. Peavey stuff is pretty good on a budget though.

The 6x10's are awesome but are friggin heavy too

ProSteels would be my choice for the purpose you're after until then mate. They lasted longer than most others

Nice one Sometimes a challenge is the best thing for it!

[quote name='Cameronj279' timestamp='1319497094' post='1415018'] Do you mean they play as if they were in standard? or they play well in standard? I sent a few e-mails to Newtone strings about getting some strings ordered and they completely blanked my second e-mail....not great customer service if you ask me! [/quote] Basically the tension when tuned to CGCF is the same as say prosteels tuned to EADG. Customer service isn't too bad but you are better off on the fine

GF turned up to my bands first gig the other day. Didn't tell me she was and had to travel over 200miles to get to it (and pay on the door as it was a surprise!) and tbh she's not even a fan of the music!

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1319457101' post='1414233'] There might be more to these strings than gauge, you can do stuff with the core to change the tension and tuning without altering gauge, so probably aren't comparable with other brands of same thicknesses. I use .055 to.115 in standard on one of my basses, is doable, but they are daddario steels. [/quote] There's some bloody clever stuff with tension cores around, my Newtones are great for CGCF (it's what they were designed for) and play nearly the same as a bass in standard tuning. Gauge? .110 Very happy bunny!

[quote name='Cameronj279' timestamp='1319450753' post='1414095'] I would do that but if I'm honest I just can't afford to at the moment [/quote] Part of the problem with changing the tuning on a regular basis is the fact that no matter what strings you use they will go dead VERY quickly. I would use some D'addario prosteels for the time being in .110 thickness as it WILL manage both but won't feel great while you are downtuned if I'm honest. However it is worth bearing in mind that once you've gone through 5 sets of strings you've probably spent approx £100 on strings which could have got you a cheapy bass off of here. FWIW when I was changing my tuning regularly I got through a set of strings a month, EASILY!

Don't think it would work well to be honest. That's why I have one bass in std and another in CGCF

The overdrive bit may be difficult but the volume part no problem, there's a channel volume there as well

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1319201393' post='1411198'] Drop C is even better!!! I'd like to try a bunch of 450-500w rated heads & put them one after the other through the same cab & see how each compares in Db. Alex, I dare say you've already tried this? [/quote] Just the kind of experiments I enjoy, although I typically target microphones rather than bass gear

Don't worry BillF 2nd cab is on order as soon as I can find the funds (despite the disapproving look from the mrs). This really is more for curiosities sake

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1319197712' post='1411121'] To address the specific problem, the real power output of the RH450 is ~130W into 8 ohms. The RS210 can handle 250W thermally so you can't overheat it. The woofers in the RS210 have small magnets (hence the low-ish weight for a ferrite thick-walled cab) and their sensitivity isn't that low so their maximum linear excursion must be low, thus I'd guess that the cab can handle somewhere around 100W before distortion/compression increases rapidly due to over-excursion (passing the mechanical limit) and you start to approach the failure point. As the RH450 only produces 130W into this load you're not going to be able to push the cab so hard that you reach the mechanical failure point (although you may hear some harmless distortion) so crank it to your heart's desires without fear! [/quote] Thanks for that, makes for an interesting read too! Does the fact that it is "louder than it's watts" make any kind of difference though, this is where I get confused tbh! 450 TCE watts have been proved not to be real world watts (although watts mean sod all anyway) however they reproduce a volume similar the standard output from a 450-500w head. The bit that is a little stuck in my head is the fact that it's recreating these kind of volume levels which surely must translate into the speakers moving the same amount as they do for a standard 450-500w head (I know all these figures are for 4 ohms but it's easier to explain this way around). If they are moving that much then does that mean that damage can still be caused even though the real world watts would be nicely within spec? Yours Confusededly Charic

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1319147138' post='1410673'] Don't listen to any of them Cha, they're full of fairy dust. What to do is turn every dial fully clockwise, plug your bass in & do the same with that, turn the power on, hold an E power chord with the open low E & whack those strings as hard as you can. You'll be fine! [/quote] I don't have an open E as I'm drop tuned to C will that suffice?

Yeah I know to listen to Bill and Alex, incredible amounts of knowledge in the ol' amplification lab and can probably tell me all sorts of reasons why I shouldn't be using an RS210 but hey, it sounds good! Really though, I know the basics about listening to the cab etc I just wondered whether anyone had any experiences with this turning this combination up to full volume and whether they had any issues.

[quote name='mcgraham' timestamp='1319121570' post='1410224'] Charic, compression and eq on vocals is NOT an effect - it's ESSENTIAL for taking your sound to a better level than wherever it's at. It's as essential as eq-ing your bass. Sure, if the bass is good to start with, you will likely have less to eq, but nevertheless you still end up having to make the conscious decision to EQ or not EQ. SM58's are good mics (only good, but good nonetheless) and having something like the T1 will fix A LOT of the issues that you have with the mic... it really does make vocals sound incredibly polished and crisp and sit/cut through a mix beautifully. It will make the subtle things your singer does jump out in a mix and make the massively loud things sit back against the backdrop of the band more appropriately. At the end of the day, don't blame the kit. People are always too quick to blame the tools. Of course, good equipment helps, but if you don't know how to get the best from what you've got then buying better/more expensive gear just gives you better/more expensive gear that you still don't know how to optimally use. [/quote] Compression is a Dynamic effect and although in larger venues is a very nice too have, in smaller venues at high SPL it is a real recipe for disaster. EQ live is handled by the mixing desk where any sound engineer worth is salt will either know a good starting point for the venue or the singer (dependent on whether he is the venues engineer or the bands) and generally speaking a vocalist shouldn't really be touching it too much. Also I have recorded my vocalist with the SM58 and I know the amount of editing required in order to get a good sound but the same vocalist through a different mic sounded much MUCH better. However the condenser in question really wouldn't suit live use at all (too fragile + too sensitive). Compression and EQ really aren't the concern at the moment as the primary worry really is getting the best possible result out of his vocals in the initial situation then feeding it to EQ. I think of the SM58 like a P bass, a bass which is OK at a multitude of styles for a multitude of people but there are much better bass/microphones out there and a P bass will simply not suit some of us, much like the SM58 won't suit some vocalists.

Currently C as I tend to look lost when there's a microphone in front of me too Working on fixing that though!

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1319119546' post='1410170'] Because it's only half the picture and not the important part. Speakers have to move to generate sound and the amount they can move limits power handling in a mechanical sense. The voice coils in speakers get hot and the amount of heat they can handle limits power handling in a thermal sense. With bass cabs 95%+ of the time you run into the mechanical limit before you reach the thermal limit. The standard power handling rating is unfortunately the less relevant thermal limit. [/quote] So in real world application the power rating is pretty much utter ollocks then as your going to hit the mechanical limit first? Well that sucks! Based on that I would say it probably wouldn't be the brightest thing in the world to run it full out then. That day will have to wait until I'm running a 2nd 210 or a 212 then. Hopefully I won't need it anyway!

Effects and the like will follow in the future, funds are currently short unfortunately and the microphone is the first obvious replacement as it really is doing him no favors at all. Thanks though, I will definitely keep and eye on tc gear.

[quote name='Bill Fitzmaurice' timestamp='1319118363' post='1410141'] Power ratings are moot. What matters is displacement. AFAIK only Barefaced reveals the displacement of their cabs. It's worth a look at Alex's site to learn what displacement is, why it matters, and ponder why every manufacturer doesn't provide it. [/quote] How is a power rating moot when the question at hand is can I turn my amp to full without breaking the cab?

What a strange modification!

I think the telefunken is probably a little outside his price range but thanks

Good luck, sounds like it went well.

I saw about heil nice from a link before. And the prices don't seem too bad. Do you know where they can be found to test?

I know I probably won't need too. Was just curious whether anyone had done this without issue.