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PM'd You on Thursday, is this cab still for sale?

8 minutes ago, stewblack said:

I have to say 'you gets what you pays for' seems to me a dubious proposition at best. 

The implication that the more you spend the better the quality you receive seldom if ever holds true. 

Especially in an area of such rampant subjectivity. What I value may be irrelevant to you and vice versa. A piece of kit delivering precisely what I want is better than one which does not. Regardless of what I paid. 

Reliability? I have literally never spent anything on my Behringer or Bugera amps. Had one since my kids were small. In the same time period I've had Trace, Ampeg, Eden, Markbass, Ashdown all need serious money and time spending on them. 

I got rid of my Stingray because I straight up didn't like it. But my Harley Benton sounds amazing. To me. Can't measure any of this of course. There may be something only expensive gear can do and that may be the thing somebody needs/wants above all else. If so, yes you need to spend the money. 

When I toss up between my old patched together Trace box loaded with a speaker from a Behringer cab and my Barefaced, it comes down to the ease of the load in. The weight is the only factor, not sound, reliability, headroom, price, none of it 

I agree that thinking 'you gets what you pays for' isn't always a fair way of judging things, but in my 68 years of literally buying thousands of items for all things in life, 'you gets what you pays for' has come into play so often with many of my purchases 🤔

PM'd You

9 minutes ago, Lozz196 said:

I also quite like them, and similarly am not sure how it changed music history. Was another good - but not exceptional imo - album from that period, maybe the thought was that the punks had "grown up" and learnt to write "proper" songs maybe?

😂

This is not a dig at The Clash because I actually quite like them and think its a great song, but in what way did London Calling change music history?

1 hour ago, Phil Starr said:

Sorry that wasn't meant to be personal. Hence the Smiley  

Competition only works if it is fair, I admit I do have a bit of a thing about deliberate lies and Music Tribe (Behringer and co) have a track record here. They aren't the only ones but they are in a fairly dominant position. Is it fair to pitch their 2000W speaker against someone else's 500W speaker when they actually handle the same power? Given that many musicians can't work out ohms, volts and watts I think not.

The OP said "Its the wattage claims that obviously appeals but at the same time, puts me off if you know what I mean, here's what the newer model claims."

It's the same rating your speaker has as it happens, Music Tribe/Music Group bought up Turbosound and went on producing their speakers so this may in fact be a similar driver to yours, I don't know that of course but I am confident it's a 5-600W speaker. Should I tell the Brig that.

Most of my posts are on technical stuff, I'm a rubbish bass player but I used to teach Physics to 'A' level and to design and build speakers for a living so it's what I have to contribute. I try not to be too boring but I like to think I'm teaching someone to fish rather than just feeding them a fish. 

Anyway no offence meant on my part I enjoy your contributions

 

Just like Stew, most of the technical stuff goes over my head too, but thanks Phil, I now know that the 2000 watts claim is misleading and I will probably look for a 500W 15" cab manufactured by a company with a better reputation, I'm not saying that this cab is rubbish because I've not heard one put through its paces, but I have now read a number of reviews where users have said that it does go quite loud, but after a certain level, it loses definition.

For just over £200, I suppose a lot of people will take a chance on it, but I'm worried that I would probably regret it after a while and wished I had payed a bit more for better cab, and be thinking "you only get what you payed for" 😐

Anyway, thanks for all your help guys, this is what BC is all about 🙂

10 minutes ago, binky_bass said:

For those who care to know...

I expect that many people would see these prices and not go back to them again but they might if they just said, "these items are temporarily not for sale at the moment" instead of putting ridiculously high prices on them? 🤔

1 hour ago, Newfoundfreedom said:

It's not like they're the only ones doing it. Even top end manufacturers like Trickfish list their wattage as peak rather than RMS.

That's all the higher figures from Bugera are. 

 

So for a numbskull like me, what is 2000 Watts in real money? 🤔

11 hours ago, stewblack said:

Oh God, the flood gates will open, fur will fly. The experts and Anti Behringer mob will be lighting torches and waving pitchforks as soon as they read this 

🤣

6 minutes ago, stewblack said:

 

Yep, its hard to believe that one 15" speaker can handle 2000 watts, but then I don't know much about the technical side of amps and cabs etc 🤔

14 minutes ago, stewblack said:

Not specifically, however I still gig a bugera 15" speaker I bought a very long time ago (around 15 years) and despite some years stored in a garage (dusty in summer damp in winter) it sounds great and has never missed a beat. 

Claims 600w and I've never had cause to doubt that either. 

Its the wattage claims that obviously appeals but at the same time, puts me off if you know what I mean, here's what the newer model claims.

Full Description

2000 Watts of Pure, Authentic Bass Tones

The Bugera BN115TS is designed to offer players massive amounts of low end thunder, equipped with a single 15’ Turbosound speaker which offers 2000 watts of volcanic punch and tone. While the speaker delivers massive amounts of lows and mids, a fully adjustable 1’’ horn driver provides the cabinet with pristine, sparkling highs which can be adjusted via the high-quality rotary attenuator. Use the attenuator to custom tailor your sound, going from a vintage and classic tone through to a modern, percussive style.

Built for Life on the Road

The speaker cabinet is constructed from a lightweight, sturdy plywood, with a shock proof metal grille and reinforced corners to ensure it survives transportation and protects the internal components from damage. Recessed handles and integrated rollers provide the ultimate portability, ensuring players can easily transport the cab from show to show. The Bugera cab is also equipped with 1/4'’ and profession twist lock speaker connectors to keep all the bases covered.

Features

• Produces 2,000 watts of powerful and authentic bass tone
• 1 x 15" custom-made Turbosound LF driver
• Lightweight and extremely durable plywood enclosure
• Extensive internal bracing and front-porting for rich and powerful low-end response
• Custom-made and adjustable 1” HF driver for high-end resolution
• Input and link outputs on 1/4” TS and professional speaker connectors
• Recessed carrying handles and integrated rollers for easy transportation
• Shock-proof metal grille and reinforced corners protect internal components
• Wheels can be removed to allow stacking

Specifications

General

• Speaker: 1 x 15’’ Turbosound-Designed
• Power: 2000 Watts
• Compression Driver: 80 Watts
• Tweeter Attenuation: 0 to Infinate dB
• Frequency Range (+3 dB): 40 Hz – 12 kHz
• Frequency Range (-10 dB): 40 Hz – 18 kHz
• Usable Low Frequency: 30 Hz
• Impedance: 8 Ohms
• Sensitivity: 97 dB SPL (1W/1m)
• Maximum SPL: 124 dB
• Inputs: 2 x 1/4'’, 2 x Pro. Locking Connector

Dimensions

• Height: 23.1’’ (587mm)
• Width: 22.8’’ (578mm)
• Depth: 17.5’’ (445mm)
• Weight: 30.8kg (67.9lbs)

Bugera BN115TS 1x15" Cab

Has anyone got one or tried one?

How Much? They could have at least included the screws!!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IBANEZ-SR-SDGR-BASS-GUITAR-TRUSS-ROD-COVER-name-plate-B-W-Ibanez-Sound-Gear/281863941188?hash=item41a0666c44:g:DHwAAOSwImRYaoFY

Here is the video I sent to Mackie tech support where you can clearly see and hear that it is not detecting a signal until the gain is a fraction before MAX, meaning there is no room for adjustment, it is either on, or off, and when its on, it starts clipping.

The volume on my bass was set to MAX and its exactly the same when using my other basses and guitars.

16 hours ago, paul_c2 said:

I'm not sure what kind of outcome you are expecting - there aren't that many controls and you've tried it thoroughly, you've not missed anything obvious or non-obvious. If you'd bought it within 2 weeks online, you could have gone for a refund with DSR

In all fairness to Tech support, they do seem to be on the case, they have asked me to do a video of me playing through the interface so they can see in real time what is actually going on.

This is their message:

I have one last request before I can determine the unit is defective.
Could you send a short video of the issue happening in real time?
I appreciate your patience and persistence and I want to get you the best solution!

Ok, I've just tried using my ART Studio V3 in front of the interface and it works perfectly, the signal gradually increases as the gain knob is turned, so its obviously designed to be more compatible with active instruments.

BUT, I don't really want to use an additional device because I just wanted a simple plug & play interface, which is why I went for the Onyx.

But I suppose I'm stuck with it now. 😐

2 minutes ago, paul_c2 said:

Yeah this happens with the combined line/mic level inputs, where they don't have a line/mic switch and rely on a wide-ranging gain control. I am guessing all your instruments are passive? 

No real way round it other than a different interface. Would be worth seeking one out with a mic/line switch and a hi-z switch.

I am sure many mixers (with USB) could do the same thing; and the smaller ones would be quite affordable?

Yes, all my instruments are passive, and as for the interface, I've only had it six weeks, so I don't really want to be spending out on another one so soon.

1 hour ago, lurksalot said:

do you have any other instruments to try with it ?

Can you hear the bass while monitoring it with  headphones either through the DAW or direct from the onyx?

 

Yes, I tried all of my three basses plus two electric guitars with the same results.

I can hear it through monitoring and headphones but only when the gain is up to about to a fraction before MAX , and the signal is very weak.

Well I contacted Tech Support explaining the situation and attached the photo below so they could see exactly what I mean.

This is how the correspondence has gone so far and it would seem that they are trying to tell me that this is normal.

Personally, I reckon that the interface is faulty because there is no room for adjustment but what do you guys think?

Tech Support to me:
This sounds like typical behavior with the ONYX interfaces.
Is this occurring when the Hi-Z Switch is engaged?
Mackie Technical Support Level 1

My reply:
Yes, it is the same with the Hi-Z switch engaged.

Tech Support to me:
Yeah this sounds like normal ONYX behavior. There is a sweet spot in the pot from 75% and on with the gain pots.
Mackie Technical Support Level 1

My reply:
As you can see from the photo I attached, the sweet spot kicks in at around 97% (pic 2) leaving no room for adjustment, its either on or its off, any further movement of the knob even to just 98% (pic 3) makes it clip and therefore rendering it useless.
It surely must be a faulty interface.

Ok, last one I promise!

And another phone video, this time at The Railway, Oakham in Rutland.

Here's another video that was recorded in our second rehearsal when we first got together a year ago this week, I used a Zoom R16 with a few mics scattered around and just hoped for the best because I haven't got a clue when it comes to recording. 🤔

I've really enjoyed looking and hearing all your great videos so I decided I would upload some of my band's videos.

We are no more than a pub band that gigs every two or three months due to our singer living in Southampton, the rest of us are based in the West Midlands, we don't rehearse and just hope it all comes together on the night, we aren't the greatest muso's around, but as you can see, we do have a lot of fun! 😀

This is recorded with a phone placed above the bar, so the audio isn't great unfortunately.

7 minutes ago, ambient said:

Try using an amp sim, there’s lots to choose from in Logic Pro. You can select from a whole range of amp models and cab configurations.

Is the signal light on the interface lightning up when you play?

Only when the gain knob is just a fraction before MAX like in pic 1

I'm going to have a little play in the next couple of hours so I will try using a sim

Cheers

9 hours ago, ambient said:

Are you using an amp sim plugin in your DAW? What DAW are you using by the way?

I'm using Reaper most of the time, but I also have Logic Pro X and GarageBand and its the same with those unfortunately.

I'm not using any sims at all, just the clean signal from my bass which is a precision.