thebrig

Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd
Machine Head - Deep Purple

And most of the Beatle's albums

My ears are shot to pieces and no matter how much I ask, no one takes any notice when I ask if we can rehearse at a lower volume..

I am finding it harder and harder to distinguish the various instruments, to me it's just a wall of sound, and sometimes it sounds like people are playing the wrong chords or the wrong keys, although I know they aren't.

I don't want to spend too much time micing everything up, so my question is:

Would placing a mic in the middle of the rehearsal room which then goes through a mic amp, and then into IEM's do the job of isolating the high volume and give me a decent enough idea of whats being played?

Personally, I don't like them, but I'm sure many on here will see them as just another tool to aid performance.

In my previous band, our guitarist frontman used one all the time and when he had to turn the page, he would flick it across with his finger which would result in his guitar dropping out for a second or two, which we found most irritating.

I've never used notes or prompts of any kind for rehearsals or gigs, and I can remember the structures/intro's/endings etc without any problem, but I noticed that most of the people I've played with who do use notes/prompts, tend to make the most mistakes, so I think they come to rely on them and think of them as a safety net, which in turn results in them not pushing themselves to get the songs into their heads without them.

[quote name='12stringbassist' timestamp='1481110563' post='3189737']
I think why a guitarist gets the limelight is that they are playing some version of the melody of the song, that sticks out, at people.
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Totally agree with this, if you play something like We've Gotta Get Out Of This Place you will probably get complimented on being a "great" bassist, even though it's really a very simple bass line to play.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1479475842' post='3176833']
I think the point is, they can't afford them, that's why they're spending Saturday afternoons hanging around the Apple stores. It's not handing anything to them on a plate, it's a part of their education. Art and creative subjects are,or should be a part of a balanced education.
[/quote]But how many of those kids already have a computer of sorts at home that will run Reaper (free), but they probably want the best straight away, which is only natural, but they need to realise that you can't always have what you want without a few sacrifices in life.
When I was their age, I wanted a Fender bass, but I knew it was never going to happen because myself and my parents couldn't afford one, I finally got my first Fender Precision about forty year's later aged 55, I'm now 65, I came from a poor background, no one helped me and I didn't expect them to, I was realistic even as a kid, so I helped myself in life without relying on others.

[quote name='ambient' timestamp='1479471982' post='3176784']
What you have to remember is that modern music isn't necessarily guitar based. Music education in schools today is everything from traditional instruments such as violin, which is what I started on, to brass instruments, and also music technology, using Ableton or whatever software to create music. Next time you walk past an Apple shop, look in and see all the kids in there, and look see what it is they're playing around with, it'll be Garageband or Logic Pro.
[/quote]Agreed, and those who really want to get into music will find a way to get the instrument or computer and software of their choice, but why should it be handed to them on a plate? and if those kids are in Apple shops eyeing up computers that cost nigh on a £1,000+ to run DAWS that cost small fortunes, then I don't think they need our help.

Like I said, I don't mind funding or donating instruments to children's homes etc, but I do mind my taxes going to fund kids who could get the equipment they need, if they were willing to sacrifice some of their other must-haves, such as, mobile phones, x-boxes, expensive trainers, etc...

When I grew up in the 50/60's, my parents didn't have two pennies to rub together, they brought up four kids on just my dad's wage which was not a lot, if he was sick he didn't get a penny, and most of the kids I knew were in the same situation, but somehow, we managed to get bands together because we really wanted to, I played bass on a cheap acoustic guitar until I managed to pursued my elder to lend me £15 for my first proper bass, but I still couldn't afford an amp to go with it and played it through an old reel to reel tape recorder until the speaker blew, having lessons was not a thing that even entered our parents heads in those days because they were way out of reach in terms of affordability.

And think back even further to the early to mid-fifties, skiffle started by poor kids who rummaged around for anything that they could get a tune out of, they didn't sit back and say, we can't play music because we come from a deprived background and waited for others to help them out.

Don't get me wrong, I donate regularly to charities and I have spent many years doing voluntary work for kids groups etc, but in today's society, people seem to expect everything to be done for them, and payed for by others.

At my school we had a thirty minute music lesson a week, and we had to sit and listen to a classical piece of music of our teacher's choice, there were no instruments to play, and if we mentioned the music that we liked, we were told that it was not proper music and wont last.

I'm not trying to make people feel sorry for me, all I'm saying is that we had a desire to follow music regardless of the hardships, if there are kids in genuine need of help, then I would be more than happy to help them, and I think it would be great to donate instruments to children's homes etc, but I have to agree with the OP on this one, a budget guitar costs a fraction of the gaming machine or mobile phone that these kids will almost certainly already have, in fact, a decent 2nd hand guitar to learn on would probably cost less than just one of their games.

BTW, I do speak with a little bit of experience, I tried to encourage both my boys to play an instrument, even re-stringing one of my guitars for my eldest son who is left-handed, but they told me that they would rather have an X-Box or computer.

Tandro purchased a couple of pedals from me and the transaction was perfect, highly recommended.

Cheers!

Thanks everybody, I've emailed Jon Shuker to see whether he can help me out.

If you have any more suggestions, they would be most welcome.

Thanks for all the advice so far guys, I will follow them up tomorrow.

Cheers!

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If you are looking for something like Warmoth... I know there's nothing on the site but it may be worth dropping [url="https://www.guitarbuild.co.uk/"]https://www.guitarbuild.co.uk/[/url] a line.

Otherwise you may want to drop one of your local luthiers a line. Wenge is not going to be a common off the shelf neck - as you have probably discovered!
[/quote]I've Guitarbuild which is probably where I will get body made, as yet, they don't make any bass necks.

I'm after a Jazz neck made from wenge similar to the pics below, does anybody know where can I get this made for a reasonable price in the UK?

I know Warmoth make them, but they are very expensive, especially after adding duty and shipping costs etc.

Don't hesitate to do any business with Captain Bass, great communication which made for a very pleasant transaction, highly recommended

thebrig

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[quote name='machinehead' timestamp='1477952408' post='3165558']
These American Standard Jaguars are really useful gigging basses. Mine is in passive with only the P pickup selected for most of the time. Occasionally I use the two pickups in series which sounds massive.

Enjoy your new toy.

Frank.
[/quote]I'm really loving it Frank, I've been playing nothing but P's for quite a few years now and I love them, but it is nice to have something that looks different but still gives me my favourite tone, but it really is a bonus having all the options should I join a new band playing music that calls for something a bit different from the P tone.

I had le Bella flats on my Squier VM Precision and had no problems at all, I have had at least twenty P's in the last few years and I would say that the Squier VM Precision was the sturdiest of the lot, its built like a tank and the neck seemed particularly strong to me.

Put them on with confidence, you wont have any problems.

Edit: Sorry I've just noticed that you have the classic vibe, but I'm sure they will be of similar build and quality.

I'll just say sorry for yet another Beatles post first because I know it might irritate a few, but I feel they need some respect.

The Beatles seem to have been mentioned quite a bit recently in various threads, and a lot of the comments aren't always very complimentary, I'm always a bit baffled by this, ok, they might be everybody's cup of tea, especially now 50+ years later, but for me they were extremely influential.

I was eleven when I got my first guitar for Christmas, and me and my next door neighbour who was a year older than me had been messing around playing Shadow's stuff, but when [b]Love Me Do[/b] was released and we first heard the opening riff where the harmonica and the guitars came in, we thought [b]what is this?[/b]

It was just so much different to what we had heard before, don't forget that we only had about a hour of "youngster's music" on the radio a [b]week[/b] in those days, so we never really got to hear what was out there, Cliff and the Shadows and maybe a bit of Buddy Holly was about as raw as it got in 1962/3.

At the time I loved everything the Beatles did, they had an edge about them, unlike Cliff who as many have said in the Cliff's Roll Over Beethoven thread, he always sounds a bit too polite.

Yes, other bands soon followed like the Stones, the Who, Pretty Things, etc, who took the rawness even further, and then came the super groups like Cream, Pink Floyd, Deep Purple, but for me, it was the Beatles who started it all, at the time they were different, original, and wrote amazing songs.

Now don't get me wrong, I did move on to preferring the bands I mentioned above, but I still love listening to the beatles music, and I can still sing along to almost every song word for word, and it brings back happy memories of the early to mid-sixties when I was really getting into music.

And I'm with Blue when he says, "[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][b][i]I'll never understand why you guys mock and have very little appreciation for this incredible part of music history which is yours[/i][/b]".[/font][/color]

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