Thanks guys for your indepth thoughts.As i am returning to bass after many years most of the info is new to me so all your opinions helps me great.Got to get to grips with the electronic world now,spent the last 25 years blowing down my saxs.The way it looks i think if i get the miller bass and upgrade the pre amp it would still be less money than the bongo or stingray so that factor might just egde it for me.Leaves more towards an Ashdown combo,strings etc.Just got to wait a month now till funds are there,i hate waiting,hurry up please.