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[quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1362868005' post='2005727'] Despite this being an alien genre for me I have really enjoyed doing this! Almost done! [/quote] out of interest, what genre do you think this is? I haven't a clue!! Can't wait to hear your mix

"heavy" to me means a riff, generally quite a slow riff, and yet with so much "energy" that it makes your spine tingle and your head bang at the same time. Just listening to the build up to the riff (there has to be contrast else how do you make it sound heavy?) makes your entire body tense, knowing what's coming, and then the riff kicks in and the tension goes but something else more powerful replaces it I'm not doing a very good job of explaining this. Anyway, feck it, it's in the ear of the beholder

I wish I could find a streaming copy of Headsty so you'd know what I was on about. I'll check out all these later, thanks

The Deftones thread made me think of the riff at the end of Diamond Eyes (the song not the album)... is it the heaviest riff ever? Well, I still don't think it beats the riff on Headsty by Martin Grech. (It's a B side and the riff is right in the middle of the song) what are the other contenders?

Diamond eyes from Diamond Eyes has to be the heaviest riff they've ever done!

IME you do get less low end when slapping, and less perceived volume. If all I wanted was a nice clean bass tone, and a nice slap tone which was even with it, I'd get an EQ pedal and a compressor. I'd set the compressor so that it didn't even touch the finger style playing, and leave it on the whole time. Then I'd set the EQ pedal to boost the signal so that it's over the threshold of the compressor. Then I'd play with the sliders on the EQ until both sounds are even. But yeh I would take some lows out of your signal, then you won't notice the difference as much. And distorted slap bass is the best!

sorry, the link wasn't obvious, it's here [url="http://creepjoint.co.uk/sapereaudestems.zip"]http://creepjoint.co.uk/sapereaudestems.zip[/url]

The album recording did start a long time ago. I have since made the switch to 24bit

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1362733422' post='2003881'] I hate that the norm is to heavily over-produce everything in metal these days. [/quote] Yeh it's very frustrating. I had a band come in for a demo a year or two back, and they wanted me to quantise everything. i don't just mean the drums, they were on about layering guitars, and then quantising them so they fit exactly together. What's the point in that?!? Just learn how to play it well FFS! My girlfriend listens to a lot of the "djent" genre (I think that's what it's called) and I do like a lot of the music, but unfortunately every band sounds the same because of this over-production.

Obviously the solution is a distortion pedal with good EQ. Marshall Jackhammer would do it

What I love about them, and the reason they stand out compared to most other bands of similar "heaviness" is the way they play about with tempo and pitch. How sh*t would it sound if Chino was autotuned? And Abe quantised?

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1362693957' post='2003621'] +1 Diamond Eyes is also absolutely cracking. I haven't heard the new one yet but I've heard nothing but good things. [/quote] Same here, I need to get it ASAP I went to see them live in Manchester a couple of weeks ago... SO HEAVY!!!

For me, as a fiend for tone, Jaco's sound was never that inspiring (although I love his playing). I prefer the tone of Timmy C from RATM who is notorious for messing with his basses, pedals and amps. Interesting that no-one has yet suggested "the tone is all in the fingers"... are we all getting past that misnomer?

haha, sorry, the guitarist is definitely as least a "co producer" on this album, I prefer to keep it simple. I love the result though! Also, my apologies to all, it was recorded in 16bit so what you've got is all I can do

[quote name='tonyquipment' timestamp='1362649309' post='2002584'] Noooo octave down! I only use the octave for the low end... Turn that off and the bass sounds thin and whispy lol I do turn the octave off when I have to do intro or strumming as it gets confused and sounds all manky.. [/quote] well you've got your octave down pedal going into the mixer, then the clean out of that goes into your dirt. If you ran that into the pitchbox for octave up it might be a massive sound!

Just bought a pedal from Chris - a pleasure to deal with, no problems at all, and it arrived very well packed etc. Top job!

I find I've become obsessed with music. I do a lot of it, and am happy with the way my musical life has and is progressing, but it does mean I don't have a career, or any money, and when I try explaining my motivations in life it all sounds rather stupid to most "normal" people. I don't know if that's a bad thing? But it's the thing which bothers me most

sorry OldG, as above I'll check tonight, see how they were recorded, and if it was done at 24 bit I'll re-do them at 24 bit

octave up can be cool on bass, especially combine with some dirt and/or delay, you might want to give it a try

so wah, OD, and Gate are all blended with clean/octave... where does the pitch box go? It's a cool board anyway, you just need another 3 dirt pedals

well that's probably your problem! It might be fine at practise where you can have your favorite cab in your favorite position etc. but if you're having problems with your sound on stage then you need to play with your EQ

OK, it's on my music system at home but will do my best to sort it out tonight, either just a post to say "recorded at 16 bit" or I'll re-do the stems I did start recording everything at 24bit at some point but I'm not sure if this song falls into that window

It should be 246 Mb in total I'm not sure what format it was recorded in sorry, I'll check later, I was just trying to save on file size... it'll take about an hour to re-export all the stems but I don't mind doing it if it'll make a difference

ok, cool, just uploading to creepjoint.co.uk/sapereaudestems.zip It's under 300mb but still might take an hour or two to upload so I'd try after midnight or in the morning. I had a few issues as there are so many tracks and so many edits. I've tried to compile some things together on to the one stem, but it's obvious where they are so you can always cut them up to treat them seperately if needs be. I managed to get 50 odd channels down to 33 stems, should be a bit more manageable. I did still keep the kick and snares seperate for the section played on a different kit... It should all become obvious when you load them up anyway If you need anything specific just ask, I can always go back through it. I've gone for 44K 16bit WAVs, I hope that's OK with everyone I'm really looking forward to hearing what you guys come up with

cool, and would it be OK to upload one big zip or would everyone prefer I put them on soundcloud?.. I guess you upload each track as if it's a seperate song? It'd be easier for me to just do one big zip file