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It's a shame you're so far away, I'd love a crack at recording this sort of stuff! How did you get the bass sound by the way? amp/pedal/plug-in?

Cheers G! I can't wait to hear the results

Just listened to Cage A Lion. What a gorgeous bass sound! And a great song. Nice one If you want opinions on the mix... I would have a little more low end in the kick drum, The BVs could be wider - not sure if they're doubled? But I would have doubled them and panned them wide. Other than that very, very nice.

The music's pretty cool! I think the effects on the vocals might be a bit much. The first one is lacking a bit in terms of dynamics but the 2nd one works really well!

oh god, I think I might be the equivalent of a basschat hipster?? Obscure 6 string bass, 20+ pedals, all through cheap old peavey amps. Over playing on pretentious original instrumental music, but without the skill to back up my pretentions. I own a soldering iron but would never dare modify my bass. And to top it all off I hate watching covers bands!!!

I like multi effects and often use them in conjunction with my massive collection of single pedals... But if simplicity is what you're after, i'd just get some single pedals. For one, I've never liked the tuners on multi-effects, the displays just don't work for me.

heh, best as in the most in need of polishing?

If only it had 2 more strings

If you're using rack effects, you have to have a floor controller anyway, so personally I don't see any advantage over a multi-effects pedal I've heard good things about the V amp stuff but not tried it myself. If you just want to fill your rack I'd get a rack tuner and a decent compressor

For me, heaviness is a lot to do with rythm and contrast. For example, a lot of RATM is heavy and yet it's just in a "standard" chromatic bluesy key.

[quote name='Twigman' timestamp='1362868005' post='2005727'] Despite this being an alien genre for me I have really enjoyed doing this! Almost done! [/quote] out of interest, what genre do you think this is? I haven't a clue!! Can't wait to hear your mix

"heavy" to me means a riff, generally quite a slow riff, and yet with so much "energy" that it makes your spine tingle and your head bang at the same time. Just listening to the build up to the riff (there has to be contrast else how do you make it sound heavy?) makes your entire body tense, knowing what's coming, and then the riff kicks in and the tension goes but something else more powerful replaces it I'm not doing a very good job of explaining this. Anyway, feck it, it's in the ear of the beholder

I wish I could find a streaming copy of Headsty so you'd know what I was on about. I'll check out all these later, thanks

The Deftones thread made me think of the riff at the end of Diamond Eyes (the song not the album)... is it the heaviest riff ever? Well, I still don't think it beats the riff on Headsty by Martin Grech. (It's a B side and the riff is right in the middle of the song) what are the other contenders?

Diamond eyes from Diamond Eyes has to be the heaviest riff they've ever done!

IME you do get less low end when slapping, and less perceived volume. If all I wanted was a nice clean bass tone, and a nice slap tone which was even with it, I'd get an EQ pedal and a compressor. I'd set the compressor so that it didn't even touch the finger style playing, and leave it on the whole time. Then I'd set the EQ pedal to boost the signal so that it's over the threshold of the compressor. Then I'd play with the sliders on the EQ until both sounds are even. But yeh I would take some lows out of your signal, then you won't notice the difference as much. And distorted slap bass is the best!

sorry, the link wasn't obvious, it's here [url="http://creepjoint.co.uk/sapereaudestems.zip"]http://creepjoint.co.uk/sapereaudestems.zip[/url]

The album recording did start a long time ago. I have since made the switch to 24bit

[quote name='Truckstop' timestamp='1362733422' post='2003881'] I hate that the norm is to heavily over-produce everything in metal these days. [/quote] Yeh it's very frustrating. I had a band come in for a demo a year or two back, and they wanted me to quantise everything. i don't just mean the drums, they were on about layering guitars, and then quantising them so they fit exactly together. What's the point in that?!? Just learn how to play it well FFS! My girlfriend listens to a lot of the "djent" genre (I think that's what it's called) and I do like a lot of the music, but unfortunately every band sounds the same because of this over-production.

Obviously the solution is a distortion pedal with good EQ. Marshall Jackhammer would do it

What I love about them, and the reason they stand out compared to most other bands of similar "heaviness" is the way they play about with tempo and pitch. How sh*t would it sound if Chino was autotuned? And Abe quantised?

[quote name='uncle psychosis' timestamp='1362693957' post='2003621'] +1 Diamond Eyes is also absolutely cracking. I haven't heard the new one yet but I've heard nothing but good things. [/quote] Same here, I need to get it ASAP I went to see them live in Manchester a couple of weeks ago... SO HEAVY!!!

For me, as a fiend for tone, Jaco's sound was never that inspiring (although I love his playing). I prefer the tone of Timmy C from RATM who is notorious for messing with his basses, pedals and amps. Interesting that no-one has yet suggested "the tone is all in the fingers"... are we all getting past that misnomer?

haha, sorry, the guitarist is definitely as least a "co producer" on this album, I prefer to keep it simple. I love the result though! Also, my apologies to all, it was recorded in 16bit so what you've got is all I can do

[quote name='tonyquipment' timestamp='1362649309' post='2002584'] Noooo octave down! I only use the octave for the low end... Turn that off and the bass sounds thin and whispy lol I do turn the octave off when I have to do intro or strumming as it gets confused and sounds all manky.. [/quote] well you've got your octave down pedal going into the mixer, then the clean out of that goes into your dirt. If you ran that into the pitchbox for octave up it might be a massive sound!