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I didn't know they had a usb connection for editing. That sounds like a great pedal!

Alex and Jake - I don't disagree with anything you've said in your last two posts, but I think that after so many pages of discussion someone should have at least explained to me how theory can help you write better songs, or how theory could help you "find the right chord" any quicker. I knew a lot of theory at one point, and I think this has helped me get used to where notes on the fretboard are etc - but now I think about it, learning the shapes only gave me a starting point that I could well have developed my ear over time. It took me years of improvising along to anything to get any good at it (i'm still not) and I don't think those years of basically f*cking about on the bass are related to music theory in any way. I realise that theory can be used to describe what i'm doing, and it can be used for communication too. Theory should also be useful for people who need to work out a "standard" bassline to go with a project they have been given, or some similar situation. As far as composing, I can't see how it helps. Alex - I think all kinds of music in my head all day long and I never once think about the names of chords or notes or rythms I am "hearing". Language is for communicating. I think if you're thinking in words to yourself, you may actually be talking to yourself (in a covert way).

[quote name='alexclaber' post='246940' date='Jul 24 2008, 03:16 PM']Read what I write, don't read between the lines. I never said that theory would mean you could immediately identify what chord was required, I said that if you could do that then you wouldn't need theory! The labelling I referred to was so that you yourself would have a vocabulary to describe different sounds to yourself, not for communicating with other musicans. Again, don't read between the lines, read the content, don't make up your own inferences. I am not making any threats, I'm commenting on the bizarre lack of interpersonal skills that are demonstrated on forums and if such interpersonal skills are developed to avoid violence. Alex[/quote] I am reading what you write. "I don't see how you could immediately identify what chord is required if you DID know theory. Are you saying it just speeds things up? In what way?" Read the 2nd half of that sentence, and the come up with an answer to my question if you like. We can discuss the topic - the point of a forum. Why would I want to describe chords to myself? Can't I just play them? In what way would giving a chord the "right" name make my playing any better or easier? I'm not anti-theory, I am just interested in how people think it benifits them to learn standard scales, chords, rythms, and the names for it all. I think your last point is null. You are the one who used profanities because someone disagreed with you. You created conflict in the thread - an argument out of a debate - the perfect example of how interpersonal skills are lacking on internet forums. Nothing against you! You can swear as much as you like for all I care, i'm just joining in the discussion

[quote name='alexclaber' post='246920' date='Jul 24 2008, 02:51 PM']If your ear is perfect and you can always immediately identify what chord is required, complete with all the extensions, then you don't need theory. But then again, if you don't know theory how are you going to label all those chords? I am imperfect and therefore the theory helps - though that doesn't mean I don't write plenty of things without using any theory and sometimes still have absolutely no idea what is going on with the harmonic structure of some songs. Regarding my earlier outburst, as I informed one of our esteemed moderators, I believe that if you wouldn't say it in a face to face discussion then why would you say it on a forum? Maybe it's the lack of risk of a black eye? Sweeping all-encompassing statements are usually full of holes and oversimplified at best, if not plain wrong. Those of us with more knowledge, wisdom, experience, brain, whatever, can see through the bs but there are plenty that can't and thus I will continue to pull people up when they post with their foot in their mouth, blinkers on, or talking out of their... Alex[/quote] I don't see how you could immediately identify what chord is required if you DID know theory. Are you saying it just speeds things up? In what way? I accept your point about labelling, but I don't think this is necessary for everyone. Especially in rock bands where the bassist can look at the guitarist's fretboard and have a good idea of what is going on, and vice versa. I'm not quite sure what your last point is about. It sounds like you might be making violent threats. I know you're probably not talking about me, but for instance, if I HAD insulted you in some way or another, be it in real life or on a forum, I would like to think that I wasn't risking a black eye.

[quote name='alexclaber' post='246839' date='Jul 24 2008, 01:32 PM']If it's reducing the amount of trial and error, which it does, then it is helping. Why is everyone being so f u c king argumentative this week? Overdue a holiday? Well go on then, f u c k off then. Alex[/quote] It's a discussion. Calm down! I am interested to know how your knowing theory helps you reduce the amount of trial and error in the songwriting process, compared to say a guitarist who has never learned a scale, but knows his way around the fretboard by ear.

[quote name='alexclaber' post='246789' date='Jul 24 2008, 12:41 PM']You have completely and utterly misunderstood my statement! Read it again! When I come up with new songs it usually happens when I'm messing around on the bass or classical guitar and something just appears and off we go. Inevitably you get those moments when you're thinking, "I want this to go in that direction, I'm heading for that note over there" and when you don't immediately fall into it you go "hmmm, the fifth, is that it, no that doesn't feel right, how about over here, no that's not it, maybe if I do something weird like hold those notes the same and shift the root to that chord there, ah yes, there it is." Listen to my music, then tell me if I'm not a songwriter. They're songs and I wrote them. Alex[/quote] I think that before, when you said that theory can help songwriting if you don't know where it should go next - it sounded as though you were thinking of classic transitions learned from theory i.e theory dictates that this transition is called this, this transition is called that, and you would think of the one you fancy and pick that one. The way you describe your writing process sounds more like trial and error, just the same as anyone who knows nothing about theory, therefore it doesn't do much to back up your point that knowing theory helps song writing. [quote name='The Funk' post='246798' date='Jul 24 2008, 12:52 PM']Here's an idea. We all use theory all the time. Whether it's 'that note sounded bad last time in that place' or 'I don't want a minor 2nd clash on the 1 by playing F when the rest of the band is playing E', we're all figuring out what things work and don't work to help us figure out what we do want to play and what we don't want to play.[/quote] I think it's a fair point, but it's a point about language. We're all using the word theory, and some of us think this describes absolutely everything about music, and some of us think it describes academic study of music with the aid of text and study guides and the like.

[quote name='BassMunkee' post='246738' date='Jul 24 2008, 11:49 AM']Learning scales is gash, imho. Music should be about playing what you feel, how you feel. If it sounds good then cool, you could waste hours learning how to play a 4th-minor-diatonic-pentateuch, when you could in fact be zapping out a killer riff through a couple of pedals, to a cracking rythm. Which would you rather do?[/quote] Fair enough if that works for you. I think we're talking about being able to improvise, and in that sense if you're not used to all the shapes (scales, modes etc) then you might find it hard as you'll be trying to think of what to play, rather than just playing.

Sorry, I thought we were abreviating B2.1U to B2. If anyone has a B2 I would strongly recommend you upgrade to a B2.1U!

I think you'd be better off using just the DI for points already mentioned. I use a DI and mic live, because I get the soundman to roll the top off the DI and use the mic for all the top end, which is voiced nicely through a guitar amp.

I had guitar lessons for a long time, and learned every scale and mode and chord that my teacher knew. It all bored me so much I forgot almost all of the theory I had learned, but I can still play it. I think if I hadn't learned all that theory, it probably would have taken me longer to get as comfortable with playing as I am. [quote name='silddx' post='246476' date='Jul 23 2008, 10:52 PM']It's a point very well raised. My little bro is a world class, championship winning, pro snooker player, and I don't want to put words in his mouth, but it's one hell of a lot more complex than that. It's natural talent, tenacity, competitive personality, immense amounts of practice, knowing your history, sheer love of what you're doing, and above all, belief in yourself and unwillingness to compromise. I'm afraid I am now too old for all that and cannot practically make that amount of dedication. I would lose too much.[/quote] Yeh, but the point is that there is "theory" (physics calculations) behind every snooker shot. They're very complex calculations, but they would aid your practice, and a lot of snooker players' practice and training is probably based upon the physics of the balls. When they go down to play a shot, they are relying on their skill built up in practice, rather than thinking "If I hit this ball on this spot at this velocity, it will accellerate at this rate and hit this ball at this angle........"

The B2 has an XLR DI output so you can have that going to the desk for your DI, while you're plugged into your amp normally, so if your amp fails it wont matter!

It depends! I would: Get a boss LS-2, put a compressor in one loop, put an overdrive in the other loop, blend them how you like them, take the output to a DI box with a link output for your amp.

A 15" wet halibut has an excellent off-axis slapping response, but once you go further than 45 degrees the impact tends to lessen to a kind of scaley stroke.

[quote name='BassManKev' post='242927' date='Jul 18 2008, 05:42 PM']iv got a thumb pic, but its too small for my thumb! i guess they come in different sizes?? i definatly intend on tryin to master picking...il make it cool [/quote] If you get the large dunlop ones, they feel very tight but will loosen up after 30 mins or so of playing. You might notice a slight lack of circulation in the end of your thumb, but it wont hurt.

[quote name='stevie' post='245993' date='Jul 23 2008, 12:14 PM']And you shall have it, sir. :-)[/quote] Sorry, your brand of highly intelligent ironic humour is lost on me!

Lol, no I want the last word!!!

I ran my peavey tnt combo at 2 ohms for ages until a cab broke down.

[quote name='coasterbass' post='245235' date='Jul 22 2008, 11:44 AM']Last saturday, as I cross the dance floor having finished our set.... Fit Girl: "Are you the drummer?" Me: "No, I'm the bass player" Fit Girl: "Oh, doesn't matter then" [looks disappointed] Me: [look uncomfortable and walk off] [/quote] Heh, she might as well have stuck up a big novelty middle finger!

[quote name='Wooks' post='245218' date='Jul 22 2008, 11:27 AM'] Oh boy Tom I look forward to you witty comments, you really keep me amused mate[/quote] Honestly, you bassist's and your toilet humour. I'll have you know I worked as a high class rent boy for quite some time in the late 80s and met bros on more than one occasion.

[quote name='woodster' post='245213' date='Jul 22 2008, 11:22 AM']Define 'decent'.... lol[/quote] Recently irrigated colon!

[quote name='woodster' post='245210' date='Jul 22 2008, 11:20 AM']Isn't that how 80's pretty boys 'Bros' got ripped off.....?[/quote] Heh, no - you wouldn't beleive the price of a decent rent-boy in London!

He invested £75k for 30% of their entire back catalogue and future earnings. The program gives them more publicity than most bands, they already have some album sales under their belt, Peter Jones knows a load of top guys at Sony - it's a no brainer?

I find that very strange. Maybe time for a format!

Doesn't the zoom have it's own ASIO driver? For 0 latency you need to monitor through the pedal. I have no other ideas thugh sorry.