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[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1498132641' post='3322686'] What if he asked for one before and one after? [/quote] yeh if he wanted both and was going to cross them over to get clean lows that'd be fine, as long as the effects are prominent I don't mind

well obviously there are idiot musicians and there are idiot soundmen The other night this guy came over to the bass amp with a kick drum mic. Bearing in mind he'd used a snare drum mic to mic the kick drum, I was quite surprised to find he actually had a kick drum mic. Anyway, the bassist and I shouted at him "look, there's a DI out on the amp" but he just got really confused saying that plugging his XLR into the amp wouldn't work and he needed to put a mic in front of the amp. In the end I grabbed the cable off him, plugged it into the bass amp and told him to turn it up. He seemed pretty surprised that it worked.

If I was playing with one of my bands in particular, and the soundman refused to take the DI from my pedalboard, and demanded a clean DI from the bass, I'd just walk. The sound of the band would no longer make sense,

sorry mate, just trying to have a laugh... I'm only 32!

On the one hand I can't wait to see it finished, but on the other I really don't want the thread to end!

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1498055922' post='3322248'] ...It's not particularly difficult to do. [/quote] I don't know I'd say that I find it fairly easy these days, but it took a LOT of experience to get there. So many times I got an awesome sound in the studio, turned up to the gig and the sound sucked. In that situation I would just tweak the sound but that's easier to do with my using separate pedals

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1498046495' post='3322187'] I used to use a zoom fx back in the day with auto wah,fazer,fuzz etc the results varied from venue to venue, often there just wasn't time to alter the gain and settings for each patch to suit each gig. [/quote] Maybe if you spent hours getting everything set just right, with some creative EQ and compression, and an amp or an amp with speaker simulated DI output, on flat studio monitors, you'd have had better results? It works for me anyway (on multi band originals gigs). If my sound is too boomy for the room, they can EQ that out. They won't have to re EQ every time I change sound as I have them all levelled out

Is it my tip you didn't like or just the way I gave it to you?

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1497972582' post='3321733'] The way I see it is that a good old fashioned vanilla sound that everyone out front can enjoy is better than a salted caramel with hand twirled toffee sauce that can only be enjoyed by the player and maybe the front row, there's nothing worse than seeing a band with a generic but great bass sound then on the third song he applies "his sound" with the pedal board or whatever never to be heard again Flea is the worst person for it and I presume he and his crew know a thing or two, how a sound guy at a festival is going to keep up with all your patches that he's never heard before with a fifteen minute band change over I'll never know but hey it's "your sound" [/quote] I'm using pitch shifting, delays, fuzz, wah etc. it's just not an option to give the soundman a totally clean DI. Obviously if you've never used anything but a straight clean bass sound this might sound weird but try to imagine Muse or Royal Blood with a straight clean DI to the desk

[quote name='mcnach' timestamp='1498040860' post='3322116'] and so it begins... [/quote] Don't know what you mean? Anyway, when you get the right knob, if you have difficulty getting the shaft in try a little bit of lube - I once received the same excellent tip

[quote name='phil.c60' timestamp='1497973090' post='3321741'] Or, use one of these: www.porteranddavies.co.uk/products/bc-gigster/. Specifically designed so the drummer can hear (well feel, to be more accurate) the bass drum when playing quietly. Works for our drummer. He doesn't use it at all gigs, but does on the ones where we have a real noise issue and we really have to rein it in. [/quote] I find these really uncomfortable

nothing to add but I hope you find the knob of your desire

I guess if you're playing cymbals quite loud, and your bass drum beater is a felty/foamy/soft thing, then the dull thud isn't going to cut through quite as much. If you're sat right on the kit, that might be more of an issue than being further away where you might be able to appreciate the low frequency punch of the bass drum a bit more relative to the cymbals I have a wooden beater with no front head for when I'm playing rock/metal as this gives me plenty of high-mid "thwack" and I have no problem hearing it un-amplified vs full stacks EDIT: Sorry, to be more direct, no, there's nothing about the bass drum that should make it quieter than the rest of the kit from the drummer's POV

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1497958022' post='3321584'] There's a phrase I've never really understood, though I get fully what you mean. Vanilla. Vanilla isn't cheap, it has a unique flavour & just about everybody likes it. Cheap "vanilla" ice cream on the other hand, not many people like it & it doesn't even taste of vanilla! [/quote] I quite agree, but we all know what the phrase means and I don't know what else to say instead. I didn't mean a bland bass sound, but I did mean "every day" or "common"

hmmm, I'm a drummer and I used to like to mic up the kick drum. I found that when playing rock music, I'd get carried away twatting the snare and cymbals extremely hard, and couldn't get the kick drum to match. Obviously that's crap technique but it never occurred to me to change it until I started playing folk in tiny pubs with no drum mics - you have to do your own mix then! So now I match the level of the kick drum to the others (well, slightly louder actually) so it doesn't matter if I'm mic'd up

If you think your bass sound is best left to the sound engineer, then you probably have a very "vanilla" bass sound, and if so, you're correct. I have a very dirty bass sound indeed. I've done the same as others and just have an amp sim with DI out at the end of my chain, and give the soundman that

[quote name='solo4652' timestamp='1497873627' post='3320968'] This is pretty accomplished, I reckon; [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YnYgbb0U1g"]https://www.youtube....h?v=2YnYgbb0U1g[/url] [/quote] hmmm, yeh, ace techniques but he keeps dropping the groove trying to keep up with himself! still, I would love a cajon and a room that sound so good! My cajon is a build your own kit thing, and it really does sound crap (although it's fine for recording as I can use EQ and compression etc)

[quote name='solo4652' timestamp='1497872896' post='3320961'] So, would we regard this as good or naff cajon playing? [url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwUTIjyXWHE"]https://www.youtube....h?v=hwUTIjyXWHE[/url] [/quote] pretty damn good! But he has a bunch of the other accessories too

just catching up and I've actually learned something, thanks to everyone!

a cajon played well is ace. It just so happens that most people play them badly. You so often see drummers sat on the cajon kicking the ground where their kick pedal should be, and playing constant right hand rhythms with the snare sound etc

A whole load of technical problems and a soundman out of his depth put off the whole band on Saturday. Everyone made mistakes. Not fun when you're on stage but you have to keep smiling, and of course as usual the audience had no idea and loved the whole set

[quote name='Woodinblack' timestamp='1497538557' post='3318972'] If money were no object I would just do what worked. In my case, money really isn't an object when it comes to what I have, I have the isolated supply I have now as it works and it is easy, so it will stay until there is a problem. I cant stand having extra noise, but I am also not going for hifi down the dog and duck. [/quote] right but you'd up your game for the Tickled Trout I'm sure! What got me thinking is that a guy who came across as an "expert" told me ages ago that the noise on my pedalboard was all due to grounding problems, and that he would make me a power supply to give all the pedals a "common ground". He never did it, and I never really understood what he was on about, but once I got a decent supply my noise problems disappeared and I never thought about it again until the recent spate of posts about isolated supplies

I'm pretty sure I have experienced that before. I assumed I was getting the noise as I was drawing too much current for the supply, although the numbers seemed OK but in general, are there are plus-points to a daisy chain? Would it be possible to reduce noise in a particular chain by switching from isolated/separate supplies to one supply with a daisy chain? Obviously disregarding digital pedals there. Or is it best practise to always have isolated/separate supplies? I suppose the question is: If money were no object, would you want an isolated supply for each pedal? Or would there be occasions where a daisy chain is preferable?

OK, that's fairly simple, so any digital pedals will introduce noise if they're on a daisy chain, but if they're on an isolated supply, or their own separate supply, they won't ...I should probably get an isolated supply then!

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1497458708' post='3318367'] ... i only get noise when i kick in the b3k... I'm sure that if would use a separate PSU for the b3k the noise would lower or even disapear [/quote] I would expect that as it's a dirt pedal, I'm not sure why you'd expect it to disappear with a different PSU? Has anyone got a handy link to explain this to me? It's just that someone once told me daisy chaining would be "cleaner" but now everyone's going isolated... I haven't got a clue on the science of it