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[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1454667709' post='2971784'] ...The zoom just does one tone regardless of playing dynamics. [/quote] I think that depends on the model you're using. I'm not sure what that particular model has, but I know the tube screamer on my b2.1u is pretty responsive I could be miles off but I think I have a similar sound to the one in your head. This is using an ibanez SS10 which is chorus and tube screamer in one pedal. I have them on parallel so they're blended about 50/50. I have the gain quite low, but my bass is very loud so I can go from clean to very dirty. Then, I put this in another loop blending about 50/50 again. This all goes into a limiter, and then into an amp sim. I turn up loud, and when I play soft, it's loud but clean, when I play hard, it's loud but dirty. Something about the tube screamer enhances the mids in a very pleasing way, and with a bass boost on the amp sim, I have a huge sound. I still like to kick in some fuzz of extra dirt occasionally though. I really think that to fill out the whole spectrum you'll probably need more than one pedal. Octavers, chorus, delay, can all thicken up the sound

[quote name='CamdenRob' timestamp='1454661769' post='2971709'] Yes I've got a Mesa Rectifier guitar rig but I'm thinking practically I'm not going to be carting a bass rig and a guitar rig along to gigs / rehearsals etc... Would I have to send the signal to the guitar rig an octave up? [/quote] Yeh, it's not very practical. I used to do it! You wouldn't need an octave up, just cut out most of the bass from the signal going to the guitar amp (could use the guitar amps' EQ) Anyway, now I CBA to carry around two rigs, I use a combination of dirt pedals in a blended loop, which is almost as good. I wouldn't recommend any dirt pedals as it's impossible to predict what will work with your bass, your rig, and your brain!! ...however, if you're just have a huge sound, any old fuzz blended with your clean signal would do. I like the clean to provide the bottom and top, with the fuzz covering the middle (in terms of EQ) which helps with definition. Maybe something like that is possible with your zoom multi?

you OP implies you already have a decent guitar rig, is that right? If so, you really can't beat running a bass rig clean at the same time as a dirty guitar rig

there's a difference between having a nice zing to each note, and having a load of scratchy noises in between notes ...but personally I don't mind the scratchy noises

[quote name='Bastav' timestamp='1454579168' post='2970905'] Whenever Betty Davis comes up I also think about Camille yarbrough. Even more forgotten, released just the sole album which is a bit more low key than Betty Davis but pretty funky none the less. [url="https://youtu.be/haFh_VkEhpM"]https://youtu.be/haFh_VkEhpM[/url] [/quote] Nice one!!

I played before them at a festival. I think it was 2008. I'd never been a fan so no idea which line-up it was, but they were very nice and friendly, and they played with a lot of energy. Not my kind of music (But that doesn't mean I'm disrespecting them!!!!!)

I did see them in the for sale section and they look like loads of fun. I wonder how well they'd cope in a dark room with stage lighting effects etc as it seems to be driven via a webcam watching you

couple of great suggestions there but I think Dad is the winner - I'm definitely going to try that!

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1454416474' post='2969481'] He uses a normal pedal, like the one in his drum kit. He covers the "head" of the pedal with some heavy duty foam and gaffa tape! Here's a video of him using it: [url="https://youtu.be/t7ygkY0LyDY"]https://youtu.be/t7ygkY0LyDY[/url] [/quote] Ahh, sorry, I see what you mean now. I suppose that would work. If I did that I don't think it'd be much smaller than a kick drum, in terms of how much else you can fit on stage, but I guess if I leave my ride and floor tom at home it'd be a damn small kit.

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1454415906' post='2969467'] With a bit of EQ you can use you cajon as a kick drum. Velcro the pedal and base of the cajon to a piece of carpet so it won't slip. My drummer does a lot of acoustic gigs doing this, it sounds impressively good. Just remember to add a bit of foam to your pedal to get rid of some of the "click" when it hits the cajon. [/quote] I tried the backwards kick pedal and I really couldn't work it. I'd need days of practise to do this. You can get special pedals with a reverse linkage to use with a cajon, but again it's a bit more than I want to spent for one gig

[quote name='sunburstjazz1967' timestamp='1454415714' post='2969464'] If its going to be through a pa you could use a Roland kick and brain but with a full kit around it? I know a busy dep drummer near me that does it and it saves a lot of room in your typical Irish bar sort of gig. [/quote] Yes, that's an option. I don't currently own any electronic drums, so to buy a kick and a brain (I assume I could use my normal pedal with these) is a bit much for a one off gig. I was hoping for a cheapo all-on-one solution but I can't find anything on google One year for christmas someone gave me a pad, about the same size as a mouse mat, and it had several pads, each of the triggering a drum sound. Most of the sounds were rubbish, but the kick drum would have been usable. If I could take the electronics out of this, wire the output to a jack and stick the kick drum trigger to my shoe or a wood block, that'd be perfect. However, I lost the damn thing

that sounds way bigger than a stomp-box type solution, and I don't fancy cutting one of my floor toms in half! Thanks for the suggestion though, I've not heard that before

I've got to play a gig on drums in a few weeks and they don't want a full kit as it'll be too big. I have a cajon, which is fine, but it gives a totally different feel to the whole sound of the band. I think the main chunk of space taken up by a kit is the kick drum. Especially with me being fairly tall, from the back of my stool to the back of the kick drum is probably 6 feet, then there might be a mic stand as well. So, I thought about one of those wooden "stomp box" things that acoustic guitarists have to keep a beat going. I reckon I could get a decent sound if I plug it straight into the desk with some EQ. That, plus a snare and some hats would be small enough Are there any other devices which already exist? I don't want to get a separate drum module, trigger pad, and kick pedal, I'm after a cheap and easy solution. I did think a little trigger pad to stick on the bottom of your shoe, and a tiny one sound module to output a kick sample to the PA, would be a great product

[quote name='funkgod' timestamp='1454378363' post='2969213'] ...The whole problem with the question lies in ourselfs in the thought that we are just bass players. we are not, we are a musicians,... [/quote] Very poignant but I wonder if that actually applies to all of us? Perhaps some of us have learned to play classic rock covers in the pub and nothing more, and this is all we want. Clearly there are loads of very talented people who play covers at the weekend, but these people have other ways to express their musical creativity too, and these are the "musicians" IMO

I think it's always about the combination. There's not one solution to fit every band. If both of your guitarists have a lot of low mids, then boosting your mids is not going to help. You all need to work together to sculpt the sound of the band

Is the tickled trout actually a venue? Or just a red herring?

[quote name='EBS_freak' timestamp='1453981762' post='2964869'] Maybe we can lure him back into the thread to confirm this line of thinking. [/quote] You can't be for reel?!? You're just making a rod for your own back!

you're not going to fillet with fish puns are you?

amazing!

I don't often get chance to do this but really enjoyed it on headphones at work this morning. Some great music!

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1453889848' post='2963763'] ...Gigging isn't the be all and end all. I wouldn't be as enthusiastic about sticking at playing and gigging if it were a standard covers band. People can regard that as snobbish if they want, but I don't get my musical kicks from playing Sex On Fire to whip a crowd up. [/quote] Totally agree, but I'd never flog my basses as I would be able to use them to record and compose at home.

more strings would mean you don't have to slide about as much. I'd love a short scale 6 string but whenever I search for one all I find are baritone guitars EDIT: That wasn't very helpful. I'm not sure what the negatives would be against short scale basses. I love them!

Reading through the 6 points this thread is based on, I think 1,3,5 and 6 have always been true. People are all different, and some people like to play the bass at home, and always have. I have no idea what 2 and 4 are based on. There are loads of good gigging opportunities in the UK. There is a growing trend of pubs and venues closing, but I'm not sure that this is "too many", and the opportunities are nowhere near "drying up". As far as gigging becomming less popular... I just don't get what it's based on. Probably posts on basschat, which is far from a representative sample. Loads of the posts here are rants from people in a bad mood, loads more are bitterly sarcastic, so there's no way to get a real sense of the reality of musicians' life in the UK from basschat.

[quote name='VTypeV4' timestamp='1453807749' post='2962877'] Interestingly, I like a sprinkle of the enhance.. Tom isnt a fan, ha! [/quote] I'm sure it sounds good when you do it... Maybe it's my fingers it doesn't agree with?

I've gone ampless, but I'm playing venues with big PAs and decent monitoring. I certainly don't miss lugging the amp around!