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[quote name='Iain' timestamp='1424729851' post='2699878'] I've had a tweak on most of my setting since I posted this and removed the compression entirely. Change of bass and I found the lack of expression to be annoying - it was more noticeable on the new bass. [/quote] Is the new bass a bit louder or quieter? If so, maybe re-setting the threshold would have helped

Have you put an ad in the "other musicians..." forum on here? I've not seen it and I'm always checking out the drummer wanted ads. Not that I have the TIM but you never know

The latest track from my band CreepJoint... [url="https://soundcloud.com/creepjoint/overture-demo"]https://soundcloud.com/creepjoint/overture-demo[/url] This has the heaviest drum sound I've ever done (kicks in after about 2 minutes) and I love it! The bass is sounding pretty fiendish too. I'd love to hear some comments on the sounds/mix

when I can be bothered, I like to set up my pedals in such a way as to have a clean signal, blended with another signal made up of two chains of effects in parallel. Plugging all this into a bass amp is OK, but when I plug the clean (with a bit of comp) into my bass amp, and the rest of the effects into my guitar amp, it really shines If I was trying to achieve this with a bass amp alone, I imagine I would need a graphic with all of the high mids boosted

yeh I would say it can be done, but you have to do some pretty counter intuitive EQ on a bass amp to get that sort of full range sound out of it.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1424343365' post='2695280'] On the whole everything sounds better when it's louder - especially rock music. It's making it still sound good when it's quiet that is the true skill. [/quote] Hmmm, very interesting. One of my favourite sounding albums is Evil Empire by RATM. It sounds pretty average until you turn it up. I personally thought that was a good thing as it forced you to turn it up to hear it in all it's glory. Maybe not!?

[quote name='The Badderer' timestamp='1424193321' post='2693698'] Oasis are probably the most over-rated band of all time so I couldn't care less what Noel Gallagher says. (i'm not a Kaiser Chiefs fan either, but being in Oasis doesn't give him the right to look down on everyone else.... you were total balls Noel) [/quote] Surely he has the right to criticise others' music, just as you've just criticised his?

it's very evident when you're mixing a recording. If you don't mix loud enough, your mix will be too bassy

The second time I ever attempted live sound was as a last minute favour to a friend. I got to the little pub, it was already packed with people, and they had no idea where the in house PA was. Once I'd found it, I noticed a multicore going into a wall, and then a box on the other end, but no labelling at all. I got it all set up as it should have been, but for whatever reason, I couldn't get any amount of reasonable level on the vocal mics without feedback, and this was with no monitors. A pub full of people holding their ears saying "f***ing hell mate" was enough to put me off for life!

I'm always happy not to soundcheck, but going on for a 5 minute line check before your set doesn't look very professional A lot of venues still have analogue mixers with no option to store a mix, in which case, I really don't understand why they soundcheck every band on the bill, but they still do All I know is, from my very limited experience of live sound, I would not want that job!! I can mix recorded music all day long, but live sound is somehow beyond me.

[quote name='VTypeV4' timestamp='1424261084' post='2694442'] Im not biting this time.. [/quote] Hah, as in the other thread, obviously there are exceptions. Whenever I see a gig and you're doing the sound, the bass is nice and fat. However, if you go to a few rock gigs in the "city center" (naming no names) you'll see what we're on about. Having said that, it seems to me that a lot of these modern heavy bands are scooping the bass on their recordings too, so when the bass is on it's own, it's a fairly good sound with loads of low end and some distortion on top, but then when the guitars kick in, you can't hear the bass at all. It seems really weird, but this is the sound they like, so I guess some of the sound guys are copying that studio sound for the live shows

[quote name='Huge Hands' timestamp='1424188740' post='2693627'] ...My issue I was talking about was these huge rigs where the thump of the kick was whacking you in the chest and making you nauseous, and it was detracting from the rest of the sound. [/quote] I've not been to many of these gigs. I did read a while ago that this sort of chest thumping is potentially dangerous. I think someone died in Koko from a heart attack which was thought to be linked to the bass. You would think this would scare off the sub-hungry soundmen!

A loud bass drum, and a loud bass guitar, are not opposed to each other. They can exist together! I don't think we can simply blame the kick drum here

[quote name='Mook' timestamp='1424186537' post='2693596'] It's more efficient yeh but surely not using your ear to learn can't be as good developmentally. [/quote] But you said you have to refine what you learn as the clips you watch just give you the basics. I'd say that's the most important part. You wouldn't be able to do that without a "good ear"

why would he insist you use no amp? He could take the DI from the pedal, but you can use the amp as normal as a monitor. It makes no sense to me If you're relying on the monitors, and you tell the soundman that you can't hear yourself, and he doesn't fix it, you're pretty stuffed!

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1424185698' post='2693579'] fixed, and only when it's a modern metal band [/quote] Honestly, I've seen this at loads of gigs. The kick drum is very scooped, leaving plenty of room for bass guitar, but for whatever reason, you still can't hear the bass guitar.

[quote name='Mook' timestamp='1424179733' post='2693494'] Ahh yeh I am just being an old grump, things were better in my day, type thing........Just pointing out how lazy it has made me regarding learning songs......and laziness can't be a good thing if you were looking to progress your playing. Not saying it's only way to progress but surely being able learn a song by ear has to be a big advantage in a lot of musical situations. [/quote] Is it lazy? Or is it more efficient? If you acheive the same result in less time, I fail to see anything negative about this

[quote name='PaulWarning' timestamp='1424183908' post='2693560'] been getting on my tits for a while now, there's a current fashion for having the bass drum loud in the mix, usually quite clicky which is the frequency the bass sits in, so to give the sound bottom end they EQ the bass right down the result being it's a muddy mess... [/quote] To get a clicky "modern metal" bass drum, you need to cut all the mids out, which would leave plenty of room for bass guitar IME the kick drum sound they go for is to cut everything between 200Hz and 5KHz, then boost sharply at 10KHz This isn't necessarily a bad approach, as it should leave plenty of room for bass. I've definitely experienced the phenomena, and we had another quite lengthy thread on the subject only a few weeks ago. What causes it is way beyond me!

a matching cab would be more efficient. Personally, I always try to make do with what I have. If I had two 15" combos, I would have thought running them both together would be beastly! Try effects send into the front end of the Laney Failing that, if you have a pedal with two outputs (lots of tuners, delays, reverbs etc have them) you could use both amps as usual

I would have expected a significant boost in volume from your "slave" set-up. It sounds like something has gone wrong. Is the Laney on it's own fairly loud? And working? And you plugged the effects send from the ashdown into the effects return on the laney? I would try plugging the effects send from the ashdown into the front end of the laney. Yes, you have two pre-amps working, but maybe the effects send from the ashdown isn't hot enough to drive the laney

[quote name='blue' timestamp='1423610161' post='2687123'] There will be photos and lots of them whether I'm on tour or not. Blue [/quote] I like this one, it looks like you're "in the zone" (or maybe high?)

I listen to all sorts, but one kind of music I hardly ever listen to is folk-rock, or folk-pop, or whatever you call it. Anyway, I play in a band that's frequently compared to the levelers but I've never liked a levelers track. I just like playing with these guys, it's good fun, and doesn't cost me anything I also have a few other bands which are much more my kind of music

I think obbm is the guy to answer that. If your two signals are out of phase that would certainly weaken the signal

[quote name='1976fenderhead' timestamp='1423571095' post='2686386'] Hmmm but the Fender pedal above and for example the common Morley ABY advertise combining two signals into 1... Not advisable? [/quote] It's not that it's not advisable, I'd just guess that the results would be unpredictable, but more importantly uncontrollable. However, if your two signals are coming from pedals with volume controls, you can use these as your mixer controls EDIT: I used to use one of these for this, using two chains of pedals, each with an "always on" at the end of the chain

ABY is usually used to send one signal to two outputs, rather than the other way around. If you're using it the other way around you may as well solder two jack leads to one jack. I think you'd probably have some issues trying to level out the two signals, but if both signals are coming from buffered pedals with volume controls on them, you should be OK. It's worth a try