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Yowser...... You'd better bring that down to the next SE Bass Bash, so I can drool all over that one too...

Thats a great sounding demo, really great effort, she has a lovely voice, nice grooves, lovely arrangements (proper bv's too, ace!), mixed by someone who knows what its all about IMO...

Someone just asked me why I'm rubbing my thighs and throthing at the mouth....

Another +1 for Bass Direct, worth a trip all the way from Brighton, so you've no excuses

[quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1335273053' post='1628396'] There are a few new Roscoes in stock at Bass Direct and oh my are they awesome... [/quote] Stop it!!!!

Usual disclaimer, I'll write what I think as I hear it, so this is going to be distinctly Mr Wolf, anot at all kind, in all likelihood. [u]Tombs[/u] Nasty snare, very tubby, the kick is just not happening at all, in fact a horrible representation of the drum kit, I hope it is the mix thats ruined that rather than the tracking! Guitar sound is rather uninspiring, could be made far more sparkly, its a rather nice line in an old school indie kind of way. Liking the part a lot. Vocal has a horrible reverb on it, something rackmount, digtial, old and very crap by the sound of it. Nasty s'ing going on, wrong compression on there, or just a generic LDC used rather than finding something to work beter. SOme careful work could bring this round I think No sense of space, very mono mix, needs totally sorting out to give the vocal some room to take center stage. It genuinely sounds very demoish and amateur to me. Certainly could well be possible to get a far better sounding mix, I've heard better mixes done by students. [u]Flaws[/u] Better mix, slightly, The snare has no sparkle at all, very gated? and also compressed with too fast an attack maybe? That would explain the lack of bite. Not so much of the tub about it when its given a good whack as in Tombs though. I imagine there is a kick drum on that kit, but I cant really make it out. Did they forget to turn the channel on? What were they using to monitor with when they mixed this? Guitar wants to be the Edge on this one, fine stuff, but again straight down the middle of the mix, no sense of stereo, no space for the vocal. What can I say, I'm not surprised you are underwhelmed, those are really nasty rushed mixes IMO, assuming the tracking is at all reasonable. Seems a distinct lack of understanding musically, as well as technically. These just sound tiny from start to finish. Horrible stuff, I'd want the tracks off them and pay a decent mix engineer to rescue the project!

The people putting together a comparison need to have a decent enough studio to do the job, which requires a decent listening environment. If you read whats going on the different takes are within a db or so of each other (which requires one hell of a player to do it 13 times over or so). You cant do a baseline reference here, unless you have the same signal chain, bass, player, and your own intimitely known D.I to put in the list. What this does give is an idea as to the differences between the DI's used, their relative sonic attributes. Initial bass tone is not relevant to that particularly. If you read the original post they do point out there is no winner in this list, its not about finding the best its about enlightening you to the differences that these DIs bring against a real bass signal. The list is wide enough in the world of real quality DI's that it is quite likely that were you an engineer (ie the intended target audience) you would have come across at least one or two of the pieces in the list yourself, which would help you make an even better call about the results. This stuff is highly subjective, and from the point of the engineers doing it a good solid generic bass tone is what you want, and listening to it thats what I think they got.

Does kind of require access to this sort of kit in a critical listening environment though, dunno how well iBass are set up for that kind of thing....

Saw this thread on GearSlutz, and whought you lot would like to see it too. Enjoy [url="http://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/720688-ultimate-comparitive-bass-di-test.html"]http://www.gearslutz...ss-di-test.html[/url]

You are entirely at his mercy. However a few tips, give him a pre-eq feed, simply because whatever you do to make the soudn work in your monitoring equiptment, be that a bass amp or IEM or whatever, almost certainly will not translate into the PA. Stop your backline feeding back. If your amp feeds back, then Mr FOH is stuffed. Because you are pumping that signal down the DI into his rig, result, he'll knock you out of the mix because there is nothing else he can do, its your rig causing the issue. If you put a feedback destroyer in your amp fx loop way after theFOH DI then that will not change the signal Mr FOH gets, but it should help you deal with feedback if its an issue. Ultimately though you are lost if he doesnt know what a double bass should sound like, if he is unfamiliar with the genre or if he is limited by the venue acoustics. You can do everything right, have a great engineer and still the FOH in some venues can be disastrous, simply due to acoustics.

Thats really flying up now isnt it. You're going to be finished before you knwo it, then what will you do, you'll be almost bereft without all this excitement Its been a very long time coming though, well done keeping up the pressure to get there with all the issues you've worked through. It'll make the first real session usutilising the majority of all this real estate all the sweeter!

[quote name='discreet' timestamp='1335224339' post='1627728'] Mmm... I'm into the concept of 'decoupling', but you don't necessarily need expensive foam to do that. Any way you can get the cab off the deck will work. I use a Markbass Mark Stand with my BFM J12 and that's just dinky doody. It's the twenty-first century equivalent of a beer crate (a beer crate would work too, if you can find one. Or a chair. Or anything, really). [/quote] +1 I get my cab up high because I want to predominantly hear the output of my cab, not the output of my cab bounced off the floor and the back wall through a gyrating wall of meat (well a few punters trying to have a chat). It sounds better to me up their on stage, and if there is no PA support IME it sounds better out in the audience too. Of course better is a subjective thing, if I were in a dub band (as if) then my better would be a very differnt thing....

May as well ask how a piano has so many overtones amplified by the soundboard alone at the same time...... Applies as equally to all acoustic instruments.

Should have used a real amp mate

[quote name='LiamPodmore' timestamp='1335013909' post='1624724'] Heard quite a lot of good things about these: [url="http://www.red5audio.com/acatalog/Drum_Kit_Mics.html"]http://www.red5audio...m_Kit_Mics.html[/url] Scroll down to the RVD1 at the bottom. Liam [/quote] +1 I've got one, they are exceptional for the money.

Zoom H4n as overheads, a Blue ball phantom powered dynamic on mick (yup thats what I meant to say), and a Senn E835 on snare. All recording to the Zoom in 4 track mode. Drummer playing to click and samples/synths played by logic. The kit is a Mapex Saturn with fusion size shells (so ickle kick drum, big sounding though) and the objevtive was a pretty natural slightly old school natural vibe on the kit, so not too much processing and that punchy kick drum sound rather than any real sub to it. I love that snare though, sounds absolutely fantastic, and the cymbals all sound so sweet.

Nope.... Have another clue, same kit, same room, same mic setup, different track (drums are clearer on this one):- http://soundcloud.com/lines-horizontal/your-mouths-are-killing-you

And in keeping with the OP, how many mics are on the kit in this:- [url="http://soundcloud.com/lines-horizontal/the-individuils"]http://soundcloud.co...the-individuils[/url]

[quote name='ShergoldSnickers' timestamp='1334509934' post='1617030'] Are you stark staring bon........ [url="http://www.fear-of-bicycles.co.uk/BC/mp3s/Phosphoribosylformylglycinamide-flavour.mp3"]oh go on then[/url]. Track title - 'Phosphoribosylformylglycinamide flavour' No idea why. Final mix yet too be done. The backbone was done in one go as an improvisation, we then cut some bits out, joining up the remainder adding odd keyboard noises. Drums, bass, guitar and piano keyboards are all the original take. [/quote] Love that - bonkers as a newt in a hot air balloon, makes me think of King Crimson c. early 80's a bit (runs and hides in case anyone throws rocks at me)

Bum, totally missed this Reminds me a bit of George Massenburgs use of fig 8 mics for snare/hats:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZOVZQgXl9k

If you limit first you are knocking the transient peaks off before you hit any other fx. This may be exactly what you want, but it may not....

First, last, in the middle, depends what you need to achieve. Compression first to fatten things up before the effects, limiting last to catch any nasty peaks exacerbated by any fx running is another option. I run mine in the fx loop of my rig (it only accepts line level signals), and all my fx are pedals go in fornt of the amp after the bass. Works perfectly.

Oh, you'll love that!

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1334748096' post='1620540'] I meant as a place where it wouldn't make any difference [/quote] I know, but it should make the most obvious diff in an anechoic chamber, since the boundaries wont muddy the result. Put a cab on various staging, with and without the Auralex device, and do a frequency sweep through the cab, measuring from a fixed point relative to the cab each time. The diff between Gramma Pad and no Gramma pad can then be shown on different stages/floors etc. As soon as you try this measurement in an acoustically reverberant space the data is muddled by the reflections, and you end up measuring the space not the device.

[quote name='charic' timestamp='1334741697' post='1620427'] Anechoic chamber? [/quote] Would be the best place to test its effectiveness on different surfaces (stages, directly on the floor etc) Without the effect of room boundaries muddying the results.