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[quote name='thunderider' timestamp='1318188872' post='1399055'] iv got a laney dp 150 head going through a 115 and 118, if i turn up the gain,with the bass on the eq high it distorts even speakers of these size and the red light comes on,altho laney say this has to flicker,my gears on rickenfaker page,but dont seem loud,also the volume on the right seem not to do alot,also talk of volume 2 bassist i admire play heavy rawkus bass,first being lemmy,it suprised me hes sposed to be the loudest bassest yet he running a 100 watt head with 2 412s dont seem to powerfull to me,the other being alan davey he seems to use a mixture of stuff when gigging,but he uses 2 fender bassman 50 heads with a ashdown 115 and a 2112,but they seem to drive these and get some volume outta these!!,i wanna play loud!! [/quote] Speaker size is not relevant to them distorting, the XMAX is. Typically those older speakers had pretty dismal XMAX compared to todays drivers. Certainly it is very easy to cause them to fart out with excessive bass boost and lowish apparent volumes. I had a Laney G300 (the big daddy to the series that came after the dp150) back in the day (had HH power amps in it in fact - was pretty well build for the period too). Certainly capable of producing enough oomph in the low end to fart out two 410s. As for Lemmy, you have noticed he has a massive PA behind him havent you? His onstage volume is probably not so loud in fact, and his tone was never massively bassy, plus he now runs nice shiny new kit, with nice modern drivers in.

Was an excellent evening, thoroughly enjoyed all the bands on, I'd recommend them all... Nigels chrome Warwick was the business though, so glam it can only be offset by the fact he wears all black and stays in the background (grooving away like a good'un), it ends up looking like an entirely disembodies shiny bass playing itself and having a good jiggle about - genius!

[quote name='aldude' timestamp='1316616234' post='1380417'] That's an interesting document, and if I understand it correctly, the TC amp looks like a lower power amp due to its limiting of high peaks to create a more tubey sound, so this implies that the high peaks that we don't really hear anyway contribute quite a lot to the measured power output of an amp. Or, to put it another way, the 236W measured by that bass magazine (can't remember which right now) is mainly a fault of the testing method, which includes the loud peaks that you don't really hear anyway, the loud peaks being reproduced unnecessarily by the "other" solid state heads, but this is beneficial to the other heads as it ups the apparent wattage without really sounding much louder. I appreciate this has been scrutinised by TC's PR department but it certainly does help in understanding what the amp is up to! Unfortunately this does not address the ohmage capability of the amp and whether it would cope with 2.67 or even 2 ohms. [/quote] You can hear the peaks though. If they are truly represented you get a very different impression from an amp putting out the full wump of huge trnsient peaks into a cab that can reproduce them compared to an amp and cab that cant. The rig that produces them will tend to sound effortless, and will feel like you can dig in as hard as you like and it 'just delivers' on the other hand the amp that is limiting will temd toward a warmer sound (it is binning your attack to a noticeable degree) and will sound full, but it will also feel like it chokes up a bit wen you try and dig in, and that it doesnt really put out what you put in so much. Which you prefer is a different question, but anyone trying to claim that you cant hear them and you cant feel it or hear the difference when they arent there is tripping. Put it another way, if I create two masters of a mix, with the same RMS volume, but I brickwall limit one and not the other, the one that isnt limited will sound way better, every time. The one that is limited could have been made to have a higher RMS berfore clipping, but thats the con, if you dont do that then you get a better sounding mix (albeit with a lower RMS). This amp is applying the same (or very similar) tech to your bass sound, with a nice soft knee attack so you dont all get shirty about it. If you like it, thats fine, but if you dont then there is a really good reason why that might be.

That will in fact do the business.... Nice one!

[quote name='citymariner' timestamp='1318020927' post='1397468'] It built up a grand suspense to a grand looking cab! Just a (possibly naive) thought, how would you mic a cab like this? Would you need three mics and three different mics for the different types of driver? CM [/quote] You could (and Shep would I think) mic each driver individually. To be completist he would been to mic the port too. Or, if you wanted to capture some grind from a simpler more rock and roll type sound, you could take a DI for the lows and highs (using a nice crossover VST at mix down to cut the mids out completely), mic the full range twelve for grind and cut the top and bottom off it at mix down so as to fit the two tracks of bass together really seamlessly. Or you could room mic the amp (assuming you're in a great sounding room and you want a really live feel to the bass) and mix it with a DI, or close mic, or DI and close mic. As soon as you have multiple sources you need to really concentrate on trying to get the phase right, especially if any of those sources are bouncing to a single track. If you keep all the sources seperate and mix them at mixdown there are various free vsts (phasebug, bootsy's prefix etc) that allow you to sort out phase issues at that point.

You are such a tart Nigel Excellent bass though!

You need to get a gig down here so I can hear you live mate

Yeah, do love to crank the hell out of it and have a HUGE wall of bass with a really tip top drummer giving it the beans, dont care what the rest is comprised of (assuming they can play) but I do really need a fab drummer to really get off on it properly.

Great bass tone! Reminds me of The Jam (the bass) which is a very very good thing given the songs. Nice one

It does sound immense, I had a good long play on one at the SE Bass Bash. I can only imagine how this will sound in a couple of months time after the drivers have gotten some running time under their belts.... Shep is right, totally different beast from the Super Twelve T, different goal all over, another great sounding cab from Alex!

[quote name='bassman7755' timestamp='1317831202' post='1395147'] So ... people are making judgments about £700+ premium speaker cabinets by listening to them though: a microphone of unknown quality, a life sucking amount of mp3 compression, and finaly spewed through a £50 pair of PC speakers probably incapable of reproducing the bottom 2 octaves of sound ... makes about as much sense as those people who post demos of high end plasma TVs so we can watch them on a computer screen ... [/quote] You make a big assumption about what we are all listening to this on! I would agree that the youttube compression at 240p is apalling though, and the room/mic/preamp/recording solution chaion is completely unknown (and given the compression virtually irrelevant anyway).

So you should be!

Ha ha, back on the good ship Warwick, mate?

Excellent!

[quote name='stringintheshade' timestamp='1317314530' post='1389413'] I can't post an ACR link without including this one. With just a hint of chorus, bass is near perfection in a beautifully layered mix. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQLTOGVld8A[/media] [/quote] Cracking stuff... Really want to do a 2 bass band, this isnt helping!

Another cracking tone and line:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQADXqHKmEQ

Cant find the original version, just this remix (where someone has decided that the right thing to do is whack a humungous delay on the drums and make it sound generally less good) but the bass tone and at least some of the genius bass playing is still there, massiveoly love this track! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYfI9cU69Y[/media]

[quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1317238301' post='1388592'] String! We're far too upper class for that! We have a 99p tape measure from Wilkinsons [/quote] Thats absurd, you're a bass player man, you cant count above 4 any better than a drummer.....

Joe Osborne Here are a few of the tracks he was on that some of you may have heard once or twice.... Arranged By Year - Artist - Title - US Chart Position 1961 - Rick Nelson - Travelin’ Man - 1 1965 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - This Diamond Ring - 1 1965 - Barry Maguire - Eve Of Destruction - 1 1966 - Mamas & Papas - Monday Monday - 1 1966 - Johnny Rivers - Poor Side Of Town - 1 1967 - Association - Windy - 1 1969 - Fifth Dimension - Wedding Bell Blues - 1 1969 - Tommy Roe - Dizzy - 1 1970 - Carpenters - Close To You - 1 1970 - Neil Diamond - Cracklin’ Rose - 1 1970 - Partridge Family - I Think I Love You - 1 1970 - Simon And Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Water - 1 1972 - Helen Reddy - I Am Woman - 1 1973 - Carpenters - Top Of The World - 1 1973 - Helen Reddy - Delta Dawn – 1 1974 - Carpenters - Please Mr. Postman – 1 1964 - Johnny Rivers - Memphis - 2 1965 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Count Me In - 2 1965 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Save Your Heart For Me - 2 1967 - Mamas & Papas - Dedicated To The One I Love - 2 1968 - Association - Never My Love - 2 1968 - Richard Harris - Macarthur Park - 2 1970 - Carpenters - Superstar - 2 1970 - Carpenters - We’ve Only Just Begun - 2 1970 - Fifth Dimension - One Less Bell To Answer - 2 1971 - Carpenters - Rainy Days And Mondays - 2 1972 - Carpenters - Hurting Each Other - 2 1973 - Carpenters - Yesterday Once More - 2 1976 - England Dan & John Ford Coley - I’d Really Love To See You Tonight – 2 1966 - Johnny Rivers - Secret Agent Man - 3 1967 - Johnny Rivers - Baby I Need Your Lovin’ - 3 1968 - Fifth Dimension - Stone Soul Picnic - 3 1968 - Monkees - Valleri - 3 1969 - Bobby Sherman - Little Women - 3 1971 - Carpenters - For All We Know - 3 1973 - Carpenters - Sing - 3 1973 - Helen Reddy - Leave Me Alone – 3 1965 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Everybody Loves A Clown - 4 1966 - Mamas & Papas - California Dreamin’ - 4 1967 - Scott Mackenzie - San Francisco - 4 1974 - America - Tin Man - 4 1975 - Carpenters - Only Yesterday – 4 1962 - Rick Nelson - Teenage Idol - 5 1962 - Rick Nelson – Young World - 5 1966 - Mamas & Papas - Words Of Love - 5 1967 - Mamas & Papas – Creeque Alley - 5 1968 - Grass Roots - Midnight Confession - 5 1968 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Just Dropped In - 5 1970 - Bobby Sherman - Julie - Do You Love Me - 5 1974 - Neil Diamond - Longfellow Serenade - 5 1975 - America - Lonely People - 5 1977 – Kenny Rogers - Lucille – 5 1962 - Rick Nelson - It’s Up To You - 6 1964 - Rick Nelson – For You - 6 1966 - Mamas & Papas - I Saw Her Again - 6 1966 - Tommy Roe - Hurray For Hazel - 6 1969 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Ruby - 6 1969 - Neil Diamond - Holly Holy - 6 1970 - Barbra Streisand - Stoney End - 6 1972 - Johnny Rivers - Rockin’ Pneumonia - 6 1971 - Partridge Family - Doesn’t Somebody Want To Be Wanted – 6 1965 - Johnny Rivers - Seventh Son - 7 1967 - Fifth Dimension - Up Up And Away - 7 1969 - Simon & Garfunkel - The Boxer - 7 1971 - Tommy Roe - Stagger Lee - 7 1972 - Carpenters - Goodbye To Love – 7 1966 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Green Grass - 8 1968 - Boyce & Hart - I Wonder What She’s Doin’ Tonight - 8 1969 - Tommy Roe - Jam Up - Jelly Tight - 8 1972 - America - Ventura Highway - 8 1972 - Fifth Dimension - Didn’t Get To Sleep At All - 8 1975 - Helen Reddy - No Way To Treat A Lady – 8 1961 - Rick Nelson - Hello Mary Lou - 9 1964 - Johnny Rivers - Mountain Of Love - 9 1967 - Spanky & Our Gang - Sunday Will Never Be The Same - 9 1969 - Bobby Sherman - La La La - 9 1970 - Bobby Sherman - Easy Come Easy Go - 9 1971 - Grass Roots - Sooner Or Later - 9 1971 - Partridge Family - I’ll Meet You Halfway - 9 1973 - Art Garfunkel - All I Know - 9 1973 - B.W. Stevenson - My Maria - 9 1974 - Helen Reddy - You And Me Against The World - 9 1975 - Austin Roberts - Rocky - 9 1978 - England Dan & John Ford Coley - We’ll Never Have To Say Goodbye Again - 9 1982 - Sylvia - Nobody – 9 1967 - Johnny Rivers - Tracks Of My Tears - 10 1968 - Association – Everything That Touches You - 10 1970 - Mark Lindsay - Arizona - 10 1972 - Fifth Dimension - If I Could Reach You - 10 1976 - England Dan & John Ford Coley - Nights Are Forever – 10 1961 - Rick Nelson - A Wonder Like You - 11 1970 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Somethin’s Burnin’ - 11 1974 - Carpenters - I Won’t Last A Day Without You - 11 1963 - Rick Nelson - Fools Rush In - 12 1964 - Johnny Rivers - Maybelle - 12 1968 - Cass Elliott - Dream A Little Dream - 12 1971 – Fifth Dimension - Never My Love - 12 1972 - Carpenters - It’s Going To Take Some Time - 12 1972 - Austin Roberts - Something’s Wrong With Me - 12 1973 - Helen Reddy - Peaceful - 12 1976 - Carpenters - There’s A Kind Of Hush – 12 1966 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - My Heart Symphony - 13 1968 - Fifth Dimension - Sweet Blindness - 13 1971 - Helen Reddy - I Don’t Know How To Love Him - 13 1972 - Partridge Family - I Woke Up In Love This Morning - 13 1967 - Johnny Rivers - Summer Rain - 14 1966 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Paint Me A Picture - 15 1969 - Grass Roots - I’d Wait A Million Years - 15 1971 - Grass Roots - Temptation Eyes - 15 1974 - Helen Reddy - Keep On Singing – 15 1961 - Rick Nelson – Ever Lovin’ - 16 1967 - Fifth Dimension - Go Where You Wanna Go - L 6 1971 - Grass Roots - Two Divided By Love - 16 1971 - Bobby Sherman - Cry Like A Baby - 16 1981 - Carpenters - Touch Me When We’re Dancin’ – 16 1968 - Spanky & Our Gang - Like To Get To Know You - 17 1970 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Tell It All Brother - 17 1975 - Carpenters - Solitaire – 17 1976 - Art Garfunkel - I Only Have Eyes For You – 18 1966 - Johnny Rivers - Muddy Water - 19 1968 - Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Sealed With A Kiss - 19 1969 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - But You Know I Love You - 19 1970 - Glen Campbell - Honey Come Back - 19 1971 - Fifth Dimension - Love Lines Angels & Rhymes - 19 1976 - Helen Reddy - Somewhere In The Night - 19 1982 - Michael Murphy - What’s Forever For – 19 1965 - Johnny Rivers - Midnight Special - 20 1967 - Mamas & Papas – Twelve Thirty - 20 1969 - Fifth Dimension - Workin’ On A Groovy Thing - 20 1970 - Michael Parks - Long Lonesome Highway - 20 1972 - Partridge Family - It’s One Of Those Nights - 20 1977 - Olivia Newton John - Sam – 20 1967 – Gary Lewis & The Playboys - Where Will Words Come From - 21 1970 - Fifth Dimension - Blowing Away - 21 1977 – England Dan & John Ford Coley - It’s Sad To Belong – 21 1975 - Helen Reddy - Emotion – 22 1967 - Grass Roots - Things I Should Have Said - 23 1967 - Tommy Roe - It’s Now Winter’s Day - 23 1969 - Glen Campbell - Try A Little Kindness - 23 1977 - England Dan & John Ford Coley - Gone Too Far - 23 1966 - Mamas & Papas - Look Through My Window - 24 1967 - Scott Mackenzie - Like An Old Time Movie - 24 1969 - Grass Roots – Heaven Knows - 24 1970 - Fifth Dimension - Puppet Man - 24 1970 - Bobby Sherman - Hey Mr. Sun – 24 1963 - Rick Nelson - String Along - 25 1969 - Fifth Dimension - California Soul - 25 1970 - Mark Lindsay - Silver Bird – 25 1976 - Carpenters - I Need To Be In Love - 26 1964 - Rick Nelson - The Very Thought Of You - 26 1965 - Johnny Rivers - Where Have All The Flowers Gone - 26 1967 - Glen Campbell - By The Time I Get To Phoenix - 26 1967 - Mamas & Papas - Glad To Be Unhappy - 26 1969 - Glen Campbell - Where’s The Playground Suzie - 26 1970 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Reuben James - 26 1968 - Boyce & Hart - Alice Long - 27 1970 - Glen Campbell - All I Have To Do Is Dream - 27 1970 - Fifth Dimension - Save The Country – 27 1966 - Grass Roots - Where Were You When I Needed You - 28 1969 - Grass Roots - Bella Linda - 28 1972 - Partridge Family - Breaking Up Is Hard To Do – 28 1968 - Fifth Dimension - Carpet Man - 29 1969 - Tommy Roe - Heather Honey - 29 1971 - Bobby Sherman - The Drum – 29 1968 - Spanky & Our Gang - Sunday Morning - 30 1969 - Cass Elliott - It’s Getting Better – 30 1967 - Spanky & Our Gang – Makin’ Every Minute Count - 31 1969 - Grass Roots - The River Is Wide - 31 1971 - Glen Campbell - Dream Baby - 31 1974 - Albert Hammond - I’m A Train – 31 1970 - John Philips - Mississippi - 32 1973 - Fifth Dimension – Living Together, Growing Together - 32 1977 - Carpenters - Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft – 32 1966 - Johnny Rivers - Under Your Spell Again - 33 1970 - Kenny Rogers & The First Edition - Heed The Call - 33 1976 - Olivia Newton John - Don’t Stop Believin’ – 33 1967 - Fifth Dimension - Paper Cup - 34 1972 - Grass Roots - Glory Bound - 34 1973 - Neil Diamond - Be - 34 1974 - Art Garfunkel - Second Avenue – 34 1969 - Glen Campbell – True Grit - 35 1970 - Grass Roots - Baby Hold On - 35 1973 - America - Don’t Cross River - 35 1975 - Helen Reddy - Bluebird - 35 1977 - Carpenters - All You Can Get From Love – 35 1968 - Glen Campbell - I Want To Live - 36 1969 - Glen Campbell - Let It Be Me - 36 1969 - Cass Elliott - Make Your Own Kind Of Music – 36 1972 - Fifth Dimension - Together Let’s Find Love – 37 1974 - Art Garfunkel - I Shall Sing - 38 1975 - Johnny Rivers - Blue Suede Shoes – 38 1967 - Boyce & Hart - Out And About - 39 1968 - Association - Time For Lovin’ - 39 1968 - Glen Campbell - Gentle On My Mind - 39 1972 - Grass Roots – The Runaway - 39 1973 - Partridge Family - Look Through The Eyes Of Love – 39 1966 - The Turtles - You Baby - 40 I think its fair to say he is something of an unsung hero of bass....

[quote name='pantherairsoft' timestamp='1317231262' post='1388474'] Phase is always an issue - Spent a looooooong time making sure the impact surface of those mics were all exactly the same distance from the speaker. Seemed to work! [/quote] That'll do it! Never forget your handy piece of string

cripes - just saw the piccie - thats the one, my back hurts just looking at it.....

[quote name='BottomE' timestamp='1317216064' post='1388189']Its just being practical. If they don't want the drummer to use his bass drum then they are effectively telling us what brushes we should use (excuse me if the analogy is getting complicated). At this point the talking from the audience is starting to drown out the singer. [b]The customer stops being the customer when you say you don't want payment and leave so they haven't lost out. We lost out on an evening when we could have been doing something else. Its got nothing to do with egos or things getting thrown out of prams. Its more to do with five people agreeing that someone is being unreasonable and making a decision[/b].[/quote] It doesnt matter what the job is you've just described walking out on the job, which is never the professional solution to the problem. It always comes across as throwing your toys out of the pram, however calmly you do it. Like it or not, unreasonable or not, that is the perception you will give.

Master of Puppets was a phenomial album - had a listen today as away of saying RIP, still superb after all this time...

The old HH 215s weighed about 15 tonnes each! Is it one with a front cover that clips in place for trasnport? If so its only good for about 200w (and thats being generous) and is a complete backbreaker (ask my osteopath), and my one never ever sounded 'fantastic', passable yes, fantastic no.... I would be looking for £50 realistically, maybe £100 if you're lucky (mine cost £100 s/h in immaculate condition, in 1992).