51m0n

No worries, you'll be fine, use your ears and feel for the attack getting choked and ease off a bit. No problem chaps!

Pre EQ I can completely understand.... If you use a lot of fx and rely on a bit of tube from the LH500 (great amps by the way, very very clean tube preamp) then ask the sound guy nicely and he will mic your cab. With a bit of luck (and a beer) he may well DI the bass pre fx too and run the bottom end of that alone with the top end from the cab resulting in a phenominal bass sound (if he knows his beans)

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1317149804' post='1387417'] Finally got out of that ****ing bass case, honestly, children! That was fun - sorry if I seemed a little frantic / confused / curiously lucky... As my band is on hiatus due to excessive Barefaced busyness (sic) I find myself drawn to monopolising the jam room on the one hand, whilst being aware that I should talk to people about the cabs. Hopefully I struck the right balance this year by keeping myself from playing drums badly! Was this the third one of these? They're starting to feel like school reunions for a school I wish I'd gone to (apart from the male:female ratio!) Fancy starting a Brighton-based two bass band Si? [/quote] Yes. Definitely...

Picture in [url="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f15/markbass-lmii-inside-view-422716/"]this topic on talkbass[/url]

[quote name='mcgraham' timestamp='1317138197' post='1387245'] It's looking like it's going to be sometime in November. You can vote on the potential date in the event thread! It'd be good to have you along if you can make it. I'll even buy you a beverage of your choice. Be warned I will pick your brain on recording various instruments![/quote] I make no promises at all, and if I came I would be travelling very light (bass only I would think).... In the meantime just ask quesiton sin the recording forum, and I'll do my best to come up with vaguely useful answers

[quote name='mcgraham' timestamp='1317065823' post='1386366']Sorry to disappoint! Fancy the drive to Notts for the Notts bass bash?.... maybe Brighton is a bit far to come from.[/quote] Thats a very very long way.... When is is?

[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1317132799' post='1387137'] Try disabling AVAST! for a quick test. See if that makes any difference. [/quote] [quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1317132841' post='1387141'] ..and then try Chrome or Firefox. It'll take less than five minutes of your time. [/quote] +1 Tying this on Safari running on a PC, I hate this browser with a passion, but at 2 minutes to install worth the effort to see if I can at least see some evidence of odd typing latency. There is none, my machine has similar enough specs to yours, and I've now tried the site on IE9, IE8, FF6.0, Chrome 14 & Opera 11.51 and haven't seen the issue you describe with any of them. What can I say, I have to hoard browsers (and even browser versions) at work. Disable avast, remove any add on toolbars you may have, restart the machine and try again (then remember to re-enable avast before anything scary happens) No to consign this awful POS software to the depths of Hades once again where it belongs.....

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1317127887' post='1387056'] No arguments there, like in any job you do as you are told. and just like in a lot of jobs the person in charge can act like a twat, have no idea of whats going on and always blame someone else. My point was that while the landlord may have the ultimate word in what volume you play at, that doesnt mean the band are any less professional because they are asked to turn down. You can read a room but not second guess someone you have never met. Just going on experience (and common sense).[/quote] I didnt say a band was unprofessional for being asked to turn down (within reason, if they are stupid loud they are stupid fullstop IMO). Hoever any band arguing or refusing to turn down when asked are unprofessional and should not expect to be asked back.

[quote name='peteb' timestamp='1317127796' post='1387052'] If you are good quality band who can get a significant number of people to drink in his pub who otherwise would not go there (and potentially return to see other bands if they had a good time), then obviously it is the landlord who is losing out the most! Tha band (if any good) can always go and play at a more suitable venue, again taking trade away from the original pub.....[/quote] There are plenty of bands and only a few venues though.....

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1317127018' post='1387032']Am I the only one who thinks 51mon has found himself a new avatar? [attachment=90353:Simon on Fruit.jpg][/quote] Not a new avatar, but definitely my new ickle fwend......

[quote name='dave_bass5' timestamp='1317125479' post='1386989'] I agree with BottomE. Some will expect you to play at the volume they want you to play, disregarding that you (may be) are a professional band that do know what your doing and have set your levels to reach just the right spot in the room. We do loads of social clubs and always, always, get told to turn down by some people and moaned at by others who cant hear us. Whose right? We judge the room by the audiences reactions and if too many down the front are putting fingers in ears etc we will turn down, but now were are being dictated to by old people sitting near the front. That doesnt mean we are too loud, just too loud for some people who refuse to move and spoil it for others. Of course there are those idiots that cant turn down, or have no idea peoples ears are bleeding but its not always the band thats in the wrong just because someone says they are too loud. Then again, if its the guy who is paying you then you should oblige if you want more gigs/paying etc.[/quote] Well there in lies the rub. He is paying you to play in his venue. You are taking on the work, as paid for. For the duration of that work he is your boss. It is actually that simple, you may not like it but that is the case. Just like he can ask his staff to all wear the uniform he dictates, to not waste time having more than one cigarette an hour etc etc. He may be an inveterate old rocker, god father of Lemmy and deaf as a post and desire nothing less than the unleashing of the total thunder that you are happy to deliver, or he may be the boss of a pub and assume that you can play as quietly as he wants. If you cant he can ask you to shut up and leave. That is his perogative, since it is his venue, and you either play by his rules or you walk. It doesnt actually matter if you think he is a fool for trying you, it doesnt matter if you cant bring yourself to play quietly for a pub night, it doesnt matter how well you can or cannot play. Hell he can tell you he doesnt want you to play because he doesnt like how you are dressed. the fact is bottom line, he is responsible for the venue, even if he is 'just some manager of a single pub in a big pub chain (moreso then even because he has to keep that chain's name good) Fact is if you want the gigs, and the cash he is willing to pay for you to play, then you have to play by his rules in this. If you dont then you wont get asked back. Who exactly do you think is really losing out if you dont get asked back?

[quote name='Grand Wazoo' timestamp='1317027017' post='1385488'] Yes it's got be my PC, right? Perhaps it's because it's too new and too fast for this? [IMG]http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r200/xt660/286251dc.jpg[/IMG] And I am also on a Virgin optic 50Meg broadband, honestly guv every other site and fori I visit is flying, I have no idea why BC runs slow on my pc[/quote] If you are experiencing typing latency it is something your end not playing nice. Which version of what browser are you using? What type of security software are you using? (Certain types of security software sniff javascript events and can inject code to try and work out what is going on and keep everything 'safe' and/or intercept requests and parse them. Typically if you havent got that sort of thing getting in the way then IME typing latency is something going a bit haywire in the browser because it just doesnt get on with some of the data structures being passed about and held on to in the page. It used to be the case that older IE versions and FF versions got very tied up by this sort of thing. In recent years (since IE7, FF3) this has been less and less of an issue as javascript performance have become important for bragging rights between browser coders. The one thing I think it isnt is down to the server having had load in your case. Very unusual, do you have a browser capable of laoding plugins at all? If so try disabling them (yup all), if that makes a differenc, then turn thm back on one at a time and see if one of them is the culprit. Only other thing to try is a completely different browser. if that shows the same issues, then its something other than the browser, but its still your end, I'm afraid.

Ah yes the infamous lewd example of kick drum mic phase issues.... Mary Whitehouse would have been up in arms!

[quote name='BottomE' timestamp='1317121009' post='1386896'] Too simplistic. You make the assumption that the person who's paying, the landlord, knows what they are doing.[/quote] The landlord knows exactly what he wants. He wants entertainment that can pull punters in without stopping them buying drinks. If you cant provide that without being so loud that he risks alienating his customers or neighbours or getting nasty visits from the council then you can expect to be told exactly where to go. He can expect you to know what you are doing and play at a volume appropriate to his pub and his clientelle. That would be why he is paying you and not the other way round.

[quote name='mcgraham' timestamp='1317040201' post='1385755'] I wish I'd brought (or had the space to bring) my Berg IP112 and EX112 stack to compare against some rigs. I used it in anger twice on Sunday and it was fantastic. I asked the FOH team if the rig was too loud and they said 'no, definitely not.... that said, it was VERY loud, but it sounded so good we couldn't bring ourselves to have you turn down' this = winning in my book. ...Next bass bash, it'll come along. [/quote] That IP stack is a killer rig, I wish you'd brought it along too!

[quote name='gemdids' timestamp='1317051509' post='1386002'] Thumbs up for the above. I'll be looking to buy a laptop at the back end of this week so in the meantime I'll do some research to effectivly get the most for my money. The M Audio interfaces are fairly cheap on ebay, I'll probably end up getting one although I did have a bit of a drool over the RME's. I do love having two kidneys though I'm really taken with the idea of Reaper at the moment, a friend has been raving on about it for a while. I'm going to give the 30 day trial a whirl when I get set up and see what it's like, it'll either be that or Cubase 5. Does Reaper come with preloaded VSTs or are these an additional purchase?[/quote] Reaper comes with one some great vsts, and a bunch of other scripted effects (you can learn the programming and add more if you like). They are superb, the EQ in there is exceptional, the compressor is too, there are a mass of other great tools that come with it. On top of those I regularly use free VSTs from:- Bootsy, Variety of Sound (the best free vsts on the net IMO, get them all!) TAL series (assorted, great delays and a lovely plate reverb) TLS series (lovely compressors) Molot (a very tasty compressor) SIR (a convolution reverb player - download the Bricasti Impulses that are free on the web, best reverbs you will get to use in the box) Fishfillets (compressor, de-esser, noise-gate - the de-esser and compressor are superb) G series (assorted, I use the brickwall limiter GMax for mastering) PushTec and SonEQ (eqs) Voxengo (Span for metering,. GEQ for a linear phase EQ) Audio damage ROugh Rider compressor Beta Bugs (Monsta Chorus, Phase Bug) Jeroen Breebart (barricade, broadcast, ferox, PC2 etc)

Come on chaps. This is a server side load related intermittent issue. Give the guys a break, it will resolve when the migration is complete.

I knew a drummer who had a kit set up for quiet gigs, smallest shells he could get hold of, he put a pillow inside the snare drum, took the bottom skin off the toms, replaced the batter skin with the heaviest oil filled heads he could, and put a single (actually it might have been a double duvet) duvet in the kick drum. Halved the volume of the kit, sure it didnt sound as nice, but it was really quiet, meant he coul dplay with sticks, and in a mix didnt sound too bad at all.... He was a really really busy drummer too.

And if grindy bass rocks your world, then this is the ees knees:- [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xugTdAwhUAY[/media] (still the best version of SOYL ever....)

And this one:- [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToxmbOr00co[/media]

For me these are right up there:- [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53IAhyQSKmQ[/media] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feeVAo-3SNg&feature=relmfu[/media] ANd I dont even play with a pick

[quote name='Chris2112' timestamp='1317040248' post='1385757'] For me, this next track is the holy grail of overdriven bass tone. It's played by the legendary Tony Butler. I love the fact that the bass sounds so powerful and grindy, yet so articulate and even. The bass tone is only complimented by the bright, sharp guitar sounds. The playing is absolutely sublime too. Check out the tone and playing from 01:48 to 02:30. Absolutely incredible. If I ever chase an overdriven tone, I'd be quite happy to end up sounding like Tony! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF5t4FH5B4Y&feature=related[/media] This next track also has some amazing bass tone. Check out picky growl at 01:26 and 02:56 for the amazing chorused sound. If you're a fan of tight playing you'll love the lock up between the drums and the bass at 02:56. It's absolutely outrageous. I often play my ACG with a pick going for those big Tony Butler sounds. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqmXR4St3cc[/media] [/quote] Tony was running two enormous Trace stacks when he was in reheasal with BC in the late 90's at Stainbridge Farm Studios, a brite box on top of a big 410 on top of a 118 all twice over. Two heads running them (both eq'ed the same. It was a monumental rig, and absolutely gut wrenchingly loud. The most obvious part of his tone that I hear in those clips, other than a bright attack (pick?) is the two anf a half tonnes of deep chorus he's using. Totally in keeping with the era mind!

[quote name='gemdids' timestamp='1317042085' post='1385806'] Hi 51m0n, Thanks for the advice, you've given me lots to think about. The ones that I've seen in my price range second hand have been i3 or i5 dual core (quad core models at a push). I'm only going to be using this laptop for music making so will probably take off all the unessesary guff and will at some point invest in an external hard drive for additional storage and backing up. The majority of the music that I want to record will be guitar/bass/vocals and a few VST's over the top unless I get really giddy. I've always used digital and tape 8 track recorders and like building songs up track by track and given that this is for my solo stuff, I don't anticipate multi tracking a lot of things at once. Budget wise, the £350 is just for the laptop, I'll get an interface seperately. (I've seen that they range from next to nothing to hunderds of pounds.... this may start a whole new topic unless you can recommend a decent bog standard one) [/quote] Definitely go for as many cores as you can afford, decent modern software (ie Reaper, yes pushing Reaper again, I am that boring!) will make the most of every one of them, older software may not, trouble is CPUs are now all going to be more and more multithreaded/multicored as its the only way to get the CPU cycle count up without needing hovercraft style cooling systems. As for interface you really get what you pay for, its not just the hardware that counts, the drivers have to be rock solid and ultra efficient. The best of the best are RME IMO, best drivers, superb hardware. Not cheap I am afraid (more than your laptop budget for a babyface) but the hassle free nature of their kit makes them definitely worth looking in to IMO if ther is any way to stretch to it (who needs two kidneys anyway!). M-Audio have been very good for some of my friends for small rigs at home, MOTU gear is also good. USB2 is a perfectly good interface (fast enough for 16 trqacks oif audio, so fine for you), firewire less good, there are very very few (if any ) laptops with decent firewire chips in, you go that route at your peril these days....

Most rock covers bands are massively too loud Most other bands are too loud IMO & IME You do not need a 2K PA for a pub, 300w a side 'vocal' PA will do it, then use the smallest guitar rig known to man and spill a little into the PA to aid dispersion to the punters. If punters cant hold a conversation at the bar, or order a drink easily, you are not helping the landlord.

With recording you need three things, fastest CPU you can afford, fastest hard drive you can afford, lots of RAM (Over about 3GB and you need a 64 bit OS to make the most of it). A big screen is a huge bonus too, and bizarely a dedicated number pad can really really help with a lot of recording software. So big fat widescreen laptops are a really good idea, failing that you get a lot more for your money with a desktop, performance wise IME (latest work machine was significantly less expensive than my lappie and is about twice as fast!). In laptop terms £350 will get you something that can do basic recording (with an efficient interface), but you may well struggle if you multitrack a lot of stuff at once, or if you want to get clever at mixdown (unless you run off stems to save on CPU power). My last lappie cost nearly a grand, and I managed to just about hit the limit on what it can manage (although I havent done anything to make it a truy audio machine yet, its pretty much shop spec in terms of setup of services etc). If you can get an i5 then do it, if you can get over 3GB of RAM in there, then do it, if the hardrive is slowish now then if it has an eSata port you can always use a super fast external drive connected via eSata for your audio work (which I intend to do as soon as I have the money). Have you budgeted for an interface at all though?