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Some awful truths (massive generalisations) you need to get your head around:- #1 Punters often cant make head nor tale of bass - they can tell if its wrong, sometimes.... #2 Punters main concern is having a good time, not checking out the various and clever references the bassist is making #3 Puinters couldnt tell good bass gear from bad, or good bass tone from bad, if the groove is there they are happy, although they generally wont know why, why on earth would you expect anything different? #4 Punters do not see bass as something to concentrate on in a mix, they aren't trained too (why would they be, and yes it requires some training) #5 Punters concentrate on melody, lyrics, guitarists, keys, horns, drummers, before bass - get over it! #6 Consequently most punters think a band is bad for any other reason than the bassist being utter plop, even if the truth is that the band is plop because the bassist is rubbish. #7 Punters think bass is easier to play than guitar, keys, drums, and far easier than singing. In some genres they are not far off the truth, however much we like to think that isnt the case, if only because the parts are simpler. #8 The vast majority of venues/sound engineers are massively compromising your bass sound FOH, so no one can hear anything other than a whumwhum,whum even when you are above the 12th fret on your G string. The kick drum will be like a sledgehammer between the eyes in comparison. Thems the breaks kiddo, tough! This is a massive generalisation, but still very true, there are some genres where this is less the case (dub, funk) but even then it still holds true for a large proportion of paying civilians out to have a good night. Enjoy that you played well, held the band together, were tight, enjoyed the music and made people happy, do not fret if no one mentions any thing about what you played precisely, since they wouldnt have picked it out anyway.

[quote name='Rosh' post='747650' date='Feb 16 2010, 07:16 PM']I'll take a look now, thanks! I'm just after a reliable bass tuner [b]BUT REALLY I NEED[/b] flashy extra lights to call in a mothership![/quote] Fixed for you....

[quote name='pantherairsoft' post='747808' date='Feb 16 2010, 10:14 PM']I recreated something VERY close back in college when I had to play this for my diploma... I had a DOD FX25b evelope filter and a DOD Phaser (can't remember what FX code it was), took a bit of time to get the filter sweep set to the tempo so it runs it's course between notes but it sounded spot on. The phaser was very little in terms of sweep, just to add flavour and phasing at the same speed as the filter. Was cheap well as back then I bought the pedals for £30 each brand new [/quote] Yup that would get right in the ballpark I bet! Daft of me not to suggest it, I got an amazing phased and filtered fingerstyle tone with a Maxon AF9 and the TriMod doohickey the other day (oh and an MXR stereo chorus), really superb. Not the same as this, but it was fingerstyle, I can definitely see how you could tweak the sweeps to match up. Good call!

[quote name='davidmpires' post='747431' date='Feb 16 2010, 04:45 PM']So what's the best way to emulate the sound? With an envelope filter?[/quote] Hmmmm, well it sounds more phased to me. An envelope foloower wont have the same timbre, and I think that would probably be more noticeable than having the rate slightly off as it were. I'd try a regular phaser, or the TriMod jobby, that is not only envelope following, but you can use an accelerometer too if you like (not that I've found a use for it yet). If I get the time (*BIG if!*) I'll have a go with my trimod phaser and see how close I can get to it....

[quote name='RhysP' post='747429' date='Feb 16 2010, 04:42 PM']That probably means it was played once then cut & pasted.[/quote] Possibly, or just using an envelope following phaser - they arent so rare! Also, this is Lenny 'we dont need no stinkin digital' Kravitz, so it may be tape cutting, but it aint protools!

[quote name='discreet' post='747188' date='Feb 16 2010, 01:18 PM']Just out of interest, what do you think [i]are[/i] the best out there? [/quote] Honestly? IMO (and thats all it is) a Bergantino IP112ER and HT112ER with assorted pres to get whatever tone I wanted (Summit TD100, JoeMeek 6Q, a Neve something, an Avalon, some kind of fuzzy tubey thingy). I am not able to justify the cost of that collection given what I have now, unless I win the next biggest EuroMillions draw, in which case, I'll get out the credit card tootsweet . Only I'd go for the IP double stack, run in stereo and to hell with the phase issues!

[quote name='Doddy' post='747229' date='Feb 16 2010, 01:54 PM']Ibanez Soundgear basses are great instruments. Their necks are really slim,which can be good or bad depending on preference,but I think they are comfortable to play. [b]......They also use punctuation[/b]. [/quote] BWAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!! You owe me a new keyboard!

It sounds like an envelope phaser to me.... It could be done with a very carefully set up phaser, but the phase in the original always starts from the same place, which is not normal for a vco controlled device. Did that make any sense??? Course some clever dick will turn around and prove it was a tremelo now

This is right up my list:- Its just so relentlessly groovy Larry Graham, I mean really, did he ever play a wrong'un?

[quote name='Rosh' post='747163' date='Feb 16 2010, 12:59 PM']So basically unusable for live situations with a bass? Which is what I'll be using it for What is the difference, then between the Korg DTR 1000 and 2000?[/quote] The 2000 has more inputs, can run off a mic, calibrate to your input signal and some other bits and bobs. Go to the Korg site and download the manual, its the same for both units, so you canreally see the differences. Oh and the 2000 has a built in racklight, with which you can impress chicks, win friends, influence people, and end world poverty - at least thats what mine said....

They are slower than the Korg DTR. Some would say unusably so.

Now that actually looks like a real DB, not one of those pretendy ones at all For those of you who hadnt guessed, I can write my entire knowledge and experience on DB on the back of a postage stamp, in wax crayon, with my feet.... The real deal for me OTPJ, is, is this going to work for classical (arco) and jazz, for a chap who is learning (in the BHYP and looking to maybe get some grades later this year), who is super keen and works hard? I'm guessing from your posts so far that it would, I think he uses a French bow at the moment, so I'd guess we'd have to get one of those too, any reason that would be an issue though?

Yeah me too, been on the look out for a decent relatively cheap DB for Plux, any of you proper pros saying one is good enough gets my immediate attention!

Nice one! I love free vsts, cant get enough of them, some really interesting and cool sounding stuff out there if you go looking far enough. Quality can be a bit hit and miss (just like with the less free stuff IMO), but there are some absolute gems to be found.... Cheers!

IMO its about the best bass for its price, especially if ergonomics are anywhere on your list of ust haves. Ultra easy to play, and decent buil quality, and a perfectly goos tone. I highly recommend them....

If 'a lot' appear to be moving around, then that is partly because they were the hot ticket for a long time last year, inevitably in search of tone nirvana, or out of boredom of whatever people move gear on to try the next best thing. Personally I have no reason to move my sa450 at all, it performs perfectly for my needs. The MB range has some pretty different sounding heads in it, none of which I would describe as bland or muddy. If you love a real fat warm tube overdrive you are probably out of luck (although they have a new head out which is intended to cover this too), but if you want clean and warm or clean and fast (and less warm) you will find something you like. The LMII and LMIII and F1 and F500 all put out 500w into 4Ohms, and into a reasonably efficient cab with enough cone area you will be fine (into my ae410 it fills an at least 300 capacity room at under half way on the master volume with an appropriately set gain stage). If your cabs arent very efficient then you may need more power (but they go up to 1200 watts, so you should be ablt to find something that will cover it).

+1 bach is fab at b-lines!

One of my all time favourite songs:- The Banshees where one of the very best bands of the eighties IMO, love Siouxsie to bits

Its all about context. But IMO generally a 200w combo is not really sufficient backline without PA help, in most cases (ie blues rock pub band). And in most cases the pub rock band's PA is not up to giving any useful help to the bass without being in grave danger of going 'pop'. IME anyway.

[quote name='Tinman' post='736412' date='Feb 5 2010, 04:51 PM']Surely you have the possibility of incurring customs charges etc with that?[/quote] Custom charges level recently went up to about £130 IIRC

Pants, I missed this

MarloweDK is definitely the Daddy

+1 for the meths tube, my strings are on permanent rotation between being in the tube or on a bass, I have sets that are very old (by my standards anything over a month is old, some of mine are a couple of years old and going still strong using this method). I'd recommend DR Lo-riders as the best I've found for long life with this method, they come back really strong for a good month before needing swapping, I find Hi-Beams last a shorter time personally.

EMMA Discombobulator is lovely, Maxon AF-9 is supposedly very close to the holy grail of env filters (the original Mutron III) MXR Auto-Q is a slightly different take on the theme

[quote name='Killstarz' post='740916' date='Feb 10 2010, 12:55 PM']Envelope filters....any i should check out?[/quote] Oh my, now you've hit the world of hurt face first