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Try one of these - its Tapco by Mackie, and £50 by it now 4 mono + 4 stereo inputs:- [url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tapco-Mix100-Mixer-Mixing-Desk-By-Mackie_W0QQitemZ250382077404QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Mixers?hash=item250382077404&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1688|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318"]Tapco by Mackie Mix100[/url]

Total personal opinion, cant stand U2, never have. Although the first two songs I heard from them (Sunday Bloody Sunday and something else) I thought were OK at the time, I never felt they really did anything particularly great or all that worthy of amazement. Not once. Having said that I never liked the Smiths either (gets asbestos coat on and ducks). And Bono does his very best to come across as a t*t every time I see or hear anything from him. Last point, just having a huge number of sales doesn't make anything good in this industry - really. It is, and always was, very much a self perpetuating marketing machine, thats why they were on the JR show in the first place, no doubt billed as the saviours of rock and roll. ANd the vast majority of the public have historically bought what they were told to by said marketing machine. So don't quote sales figures to me as they are no indication of musical quality whatsoever. Anyone care to judge the output of Stock Aitkin and Waterman purely on sales? And now apply some musical taste and discretion to you judgment; still the same? Then you sir are IMHO a philistine.

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[quote name='The Funk' post='420855' date='Feb 27 2009, 01:15 PM']I'm going to disagree with your theory: Crap bassist + great drummer = sh*te rhythm section + no groove = no funk.[/quote] +LOTS Its definitely the pair of them, Garibaldi is superb though, but some of the stuff he does with the groove even he has stated he thinks he can only do because Rocco is absolutely solid.

[quote name='dlloyd' post='420653' date='Feb 27 2009, 09:55 AM']+1 Rocco's lines [i]sound[/i] simple... It's amazing how difficult they sound when other people play them.[/quote] Absolutely, part of it is his bizarre left hand approach; uses only two fingers and damps/chokes with the rest, moves his hand around waaaay more than you're supposed to. According to an interview in BassPlayer (I think it was) in the 90's he could run his stuff up at 140bpm absolutely on it, no fluffs, still grooving . Anyone out there think he hasn't got technique please post a link to you playing Rub Off, On The Serious Side, Squib Cakes, Stroke or even What Is Hip at that speed as good as he does and I'll eat my hat if you still think it doesn't require serious chops . They may not be the modern version of super chops, but I think you'd be mistaken in thinking those chops equate to that kind of playing as well as his technique does. He is the absolute master of the 16th note fingerstyle funk groove, Bar none. His entire approach to the instrument is based upon that style of playing for a 2 hour set night after night. That changes how you play. Also has anyone seen how hard he plucks the strings?? He certainly likes to whack them compared to most modern fast players IMO, none of that ramp nonsense for Rocco, if he isn't "beatin' on that bass" he ain't feeling it I think....

Ooooh you all beat me to it, I was going to do list part 2 today (in which as u can see there is definitely some Roy Ayers) Roy Ayers: Party Sex (ultimate funky vibes), The Boogie Back (love this one too, and the b-line is as simple as it can possibly get) Trouble Funk: Say What Shotgun: Mutha Funk (old school heavy slappin on this one - lovely) Rhythm Heritage: Theme from S.W.A.T Pleasure: Glide (nuther slap classic - maybe too much?) Ohio Players: Funky Worm (utterly bonkers!) Headhunters: God Made Me Funky Soul Searchers: Funk For The Folks Vibrettes: Humpty Dump Tower Of Power: Maybe It'll Rub Off (dont tell me he aint go no technique, it may not be pretty but he's lightening fast and super accurate) Michael Viner's Incredible Bongo Band: Apache Theme from Starsky and Hutch (zero street cred I imagine, but funky as hell) Wow, that'll do. Listen to everything everyone has put into the thread so far on repeat for six months, you'll be a totally different bassist.

[quote name='thepurpleblob' post='420082' date='Feb 26 2009, 02:05 PM']Set everything flat, plug it in, switch it on, does it make a noise. Good.... my sound. Everybody thinks I'm joking when I say this. I'm not..... [/quote] Thats my ethos too. I do tend to favor the bridge pickup, but in any event I usually pluck at the bridge rather than neck (exception being very slow mellow stuff) so even the neck pickup is nice and tight sounding compared to most. I have eq - I use it to help when the room sucks. Sometimes I break away from my own modus operandi though....

[quote name='dlloyd' post='420184' date='Feb 26 2009, 04:24 PM'][b]Aqua Boogie (A Psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadoloop)[/b] Ha-ah, ha-ah, ha-ah! I am Sir Nose D'Voidoffunk I can't swim EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT EDIT (Hit me!) Bioaquadooloop (Ah ho! Ha ha, get down!) Psychoalphadiscobetabioaquadooloops A motion picture underwater starring most of you-loops Ha-ah Ha-ah Ha-ah! (x6)[/quote] Probably the most misunderstood protest song of the 20th Century :wacko:

[quote name='Crazykiwi' post='420182' date='Feb 26 2009, 04:22 PM']is it possible to be a Funk Geek?[/quote] Guilty :blush:

[quote name='alexclaber' post='420148' date='Feb 26 2009, 03:28 PM']Mandate my ass. I think if you really want to get funk then you need to listen to the lyrics. As you may have noticed I ain't so black but I am totally into the attitude and message that drove the funk revolution - "I don't want nobody to get me nothing", "They call it the White House but that's a temporary condition", "But since John Wayne was no longer available, they settled for Ronald Reagan". Almost nothing annoys me more than cheesy whiteboy lameass funk covers bands. Where is the dirt, where is the grease, where is the message? This might sound like party music but it is protest music! "You don't need the bullet when you got the ballot." Alex P.S. Dig your inner afro.[/quote] In all seriousness Alex is spot on. Its too often watered down by the later disco thing, and 80's pop use of slapping to excess by well turned out middle class white boys from the Isle of Wight (mentioning no names here). Real funk is very much the urban protest music of its day. Disco was an anomaly and in some ways an appalling one at that. Funk morphed into hip hop; check out Beat Street by Grandmaster Flash, the b-line is Doug Wimbish I think, and as funky as hell, the whole track is an amazing lyrical protest poem - staggeringly beautiful rhyming about incredibly real and gritty subjects. At least as good as Rappers Delight and Its Like a Jungle. ANd they all owe the sound to funk in the biggest way you can imagine. I was into hip hop in '82 and considered very odd by everyone at school as a result (we were all middle class and white for what its worth, about 3 of us were into hip hop and early electro), think it went downhill as soon as it started being about gangstas and hoes personally rather than real people suffering real life... Would happily play in a funk or hip hop live act any day if the week. Rather than any other style of music, it just moves me. But it would have to be old school either way....

[quote name='alexclaber' post='420148' date='Feb 26 2009, 03:28 PM']As you may have noticed I ain't so black[/quote] Nooooo, tell me it aint so bruther

[quote name='spike' post='420100' date='Feb 26 2009, 02:34 PM']Shouldn't that be The Television Will Not Be Revolutionised? [/quote] Theres as song in there somewhere dammit

[quote name='mathewsanchez' post='418430' date='Feb 24 2009, 02:54 PM']I played a white one of these a while back and despite being fretless it didn't sound fretless (?) and the fret lines were unusually thick. It didn't give that lovely 'mwwahh' sound I get from my fretless status. But I guess at £65 it would just be a muck about bass anyway.[/quote] I would imagine that if you got the action lower it might well start to mwaaah??? Or am I just being hopeful?

Priceless stuff. Thank you!

[quote name='silddx' post='420034' date='Feb 26 2009, 12:59 PM']Did she have an album called Nasty Gal? I remember seeing it in the Album Cover Album at school, and liking that cover rather too much [/quote] [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nasty-Gal-Betty-Davis/dp/B000059Z41"]http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nasty-Gal-Betty-Davis/dp/B000059Z41[/url] Dont know what you're taking about mate Some other crackers (this list ventures into some pretty soul stuff, some gets pretty disco- sue me!) include:- Slave: Seperated Jimmy Castor Bunch: A Groove Will Make You Move (funky as f...!) 100% Pure Poison: Windy C Aaron Neville: Hercules Brothers Johnson: Get the funk out ma face 24 carat black: Ghetto Misfortunes Wealth, The 24 Carat Black Charles Wright: Express Yourself (bit more soul this one) chuck brown & the soul searchers: bustin' loose Dennis Coffey: Getting It On Dyke And the Blazers: Let a Woman Be a Woman Quazar: Funk With A Capital G Gil Scott-Heron: The Television Will Not Be Televised Hamilton Bohannon: Lets Star Ike Turner's Kings Of Rhythm: Funky Mule Positive Force: We've Got The Funk (Bernard Edwards on bass here I think) There you go, find em (youtube should help), they are not so often on the tip of people's tongues, I deliberately avoided PFunk, JB, The Meters etc since they've been mentioned ad nauseum... Damn, nearly forgot:- Patrice Rushen: Forget Me Nots (for when you want to hear really really classy slapping)

Thats gorgeous. Nice nice take on vox accompanied with bass. Love it!

[quote name='Crazykiwi' post='419981' date='Feb 26 2009, 11:45 AM']Funk's moved on a bit since Bootsy and James Brown, thankfully.[/quote] True its moved on, but thats the beginning of it, and if you want to really get into it thats where you should be starting IMO. I wouldnt have put the thnkfully on the end of that sentence though, that early stuff is raw as hell, nothing like the sacharine smooth 'funk' you hear now. Which is bulls p155 IMO. Like I said Meshell really gets it, I think a lot of supposedly funky acts these days dont really. I saw one recently supporting Dr John, they really thought they were funky as could be, they had the right gear, all the right poses and posturing but they just did not have a funky groove in the set. Not one. Lot of notes, lot of slapping, lot of chocka-wocka guitar and zero funk. Dr John came on and the funk was all there, tons of it. And you right nothing like Bootsy & James either, but damn funky nevertheless.

Listen to the stuff. All the time. Real funk, uncut funt, the Bomb. Nothing later than 1980 counts if you want to understand real funk IMO. (Meshell is a real exception to this 'rule' IMO) The one is everything. I took a decision to really get into the funk in the biggest way I could around 97. I literally listened to the stuff all the time. Allow youself to walk down the street like Travolta whilst listening to PFunk's "P. Funk (Wants to Get Funked Up)". The gait you will walk with is the swing of laid back funk. The one is everything. Unless you want to get as technical as Rocco (Tower of Power) then space is your friend. Very few people really do pull off the TOP Rocco 16th note groove in a funky way - thats why hes so good. Stick to Bootsy style one-ness for months, whilst trying to get your fingers so fast they can play those sixteenth note grooves swung super hard and still sound relaxed. The one is everything. Dont slap at all until you have dispelled all 80's slapathonic nonsense from your system. Larry Graham Louise Johnson Bootsy. They are righteously funky when they slap. Mark King and even Flea aren't IMO, they may sound cool but they aint funky as a rule (and I am guilty or more so than the next man for copping their stuff). This thread:- [url="http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314342&highlight=Funk+101"]http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.p...hlight=Funk+101[/url] Is gold dust....... Oh, did I say, the one is everything.

Punchy, punchier, punchiest....

Just checked out the vid of Glitch - thats freakin mental!

For raw you are in the right area. Damned fine first effort too. I think the snare ringing will get soaked up by guitar etc enough for it not to be a problem. It will end up just having character rather than being your typical snare with a crack like a builders a##e. Toms may not be up to it I think, tuning is wrong as you said, they tend towards the muddy end. Some careful eq _may_ help look for more woody stick click. Its not all of them though, I think it might only be one that doesnt sound like its quite been tuned right (with itself if you know what I mean) its got a nasty low overtone buzz on it?), in which case thats a right pain and probably not fixable. I think you will need to get a bit more punch and definition from the kick, there's some pretty quick stuff in there and it is going to easily get very lost with a bass in the mix too. Definitely not a lost cause though. Nice drumming, I have no idea what this will end up sounding like, reminds me a bit of Herb (Primus), which should make your drummer very happy indeed, cos Herbs a legend. If you've learnt anything it should be to double, treble, quadruple check the acoustic sounds of every drum alone, quiet to loud and in context. Listen for extraneous kit rattling to, any thing sympathetically ringing or rattling is going to make compression and eq a nightmare! Well done though.

Love Suck on This, Frizzle Fry, Sailing The Seas the it starts to go down hill for me........... But he is at or very near the top of the list of my fav bassists of all time, and definitely my fav singing bassist.

Pop into GAK quite a lot. Its me local. Spent way more money at BassDirect mind (damn Mark and his mischievous scheming ways to part me from my money - to be fair this consists of having the gear I want and a nice set up, and letting me play it for as long as is needed for me to know I cant live without it, but!!!) Anyone know what the cheapest source of DR stings is now the exchange rate to the dollar is rubbish??

Tons of 80's goth stuff. If you take a chorus and really pile on the delay you get well into flange territory, the Cure did this a bit, I'm pretty sure there was some of this on some Joy Division stuff too IIRC, but anyways, its good in small doses. Same the other way around a very subtle flange is effectively a chorus Phaser sounds 'kin massive if you use a boss Heavy Metal distortion before it, best with very legato stuff so you can clearly hear the sweep. Utterly exceptional with tapped chordal stuff...

[quote name='joe_bass' post='418227' date='Feb 24 2009, 11:31 AM'][url="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fretless-Bass-Guitar-new-43in-Black_W0QQitemZ170298081406QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Musical_Instruments_Guitars_CV?hash=item170298081406&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1688%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318"]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Fretless-Bass-Guitar...A1%7C240%3A1318[/url] So what do you guys think? Considering buying one for that price, not expecting to be blown away by it but wouldn't mind having a freltess to mess around on.[/quote] For that price it could be complete crud and you've not hurt yourself too much. I would think you'd need to set it up properly (prbably include cutting the nut a bit deeper to get a nice low mwaaaah-y action - but it might be fine. If its great let me know Shame they dont do a J version for that price....