51m0n

[quote name='thisnameistaken' timestamp='1372190513' post='2122742'] The first step is to try moving your speakers. And buying 'a better cab like a Bergantino' is never the solution. [/quote] Excellent point, bass below about 300Hz is omni directional, signal bouncing off the back wall interferes with direct signal from the cab causing all manner of comb filtering Stay as close as you can to the wall or over eight feet away (IIRC) to minimise their effect in bass sensitive areas Then get a Bergantino cab

Use an esata cable to an external hard drive or raid array mounted in a suspended rack... I've had no trouble with Alesis HD24s recording very loud stuff, that's 24 tracks right there, you'll need Mic pres too though...

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1372178199' post='2122544'] [url="http://www.halfmoon.co.uk/"]http://www.halfmoon.co.uk/[/url] I've not played there myself (chance would be a fine thing) but I've been to plenty of gigs there, and recent Basschatters who have played there include Clarky with ATQR and Low End Bee with The Jetsonics. [/quote] Cant really tell from the photos because there are drapes everywhere, but I would be surprised if there were any attempt to improve the acoustics. Lowest D on a (4 string) bass is about 73Hz, sound travels at about 343m/s, so the wavelength of that lowest d is 343/73 = 4.6m (or close enough) so if any of that room's dimensions is 4.6m or a multiple of 4.6 meters then you are going to get a nice fat node somewhere in the room around that frequency, if two dimensions divide by 4.6m then its going to get really obvious. Of course its not that simple, rooms aren't simple shapes, and the additive and subtractive quality of the interference from [i]all[/i] the boundaries in 3 dimensions is what we experience. Simply put if you find a place in a room with a big fat peak in it, move, you will wander out of that node and move into another area where the problem isnt evident, in fact you may find that in that space the note disappears altogether! Hence the need to sort out the acoustics to get the nodes controlled properly, EQ cant work everywhere in the room.... Of course it can also be the harmonics of the note, and an octave higher D gives a wavelength of around 2.3m, hows that for near the height of the room???

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1372173352' post='2122450'] Incidentally, and FWIW, the Half Moon in Putney has a really bad resonant frequency around the low D on a 4-string bass. That's a serious venue, played at by plenty of big bands, but every time a bass player hits a D or a C# it feels like a brown note. My point is, sometimes there is NO fix that will work. [/quote] Well a serious notch filter would help, you may need several though, and the chances are you would wreck your tone trying eq as the solution, ringing in a room is not something you can fix really with eq, since it is a time domain phenomena rather than a frequency domain phenomena. You say its a serious venue? How big (roughly) is it? What work have they done on the acoustics in the room? The larger the room then (very generally) easier it is to get the room nodes to be less of an issue. Also the more space you can afford to give up to acoustic treatment. Most simple DIY solutions to bass notes ringing are fairly cheap but very large and target quite wide frequency bands (superchunk corner bass traps for instance). Targetting specific frequencies with helmholtz resonators and so on, but these require more skill to create as a rule, and more time, they are however, often smaller than big absorption based bass traps. If this venue is serious about sound then it ought to have serious about sound acoustic improvements, clouds hung from the ceiling, basstraps in the soffits and corners, absorption on the walls, and even some diffusers wouldnt go amiss. It wouldnt cost tehm more than a couple of grand to do a seriously great job on the room, the diffference would be massive too! Heck where I rehearse now every single rehearsal room has broadband absorption on the walls and clouds, they are clearly DIY, but the rooms sound fabulous as a result (compared to many places I used to use back in the day), its a pleasure to rehearse there, [url="http://www.brightonelectric.co.uk/rehearsal-BE1.html"]have a look[/url]. [url="https://soundcloud.com/mistersuperjuice/what-it-is-and-what-it-aint"]Here is an example of a bit of a jam[/url] whilst the horns were working out some parts at the last rehearsal, Zoom H4n as drum overheads and two Line Audio CM3s in the room to pick up bass, guitar, and horns - not bad for no close micing at all!

[url="http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/"]Room Eq Wizard[/url] is great free software for plotting waterfall graphs etc etc...

Some simple DIY and free software is all you need to measure and properly treat any room You won't get the same results as a ground up live room build but you can still get immense improvements... You can't eq out bad acoustics it's a myth.....

Who dropped the soap then? Go on, own up....

You need a fully parametric eq, a graphic won't get tight enough and will be noticeable in compraison. Or sort out the acoustics.... A compressor can do many things, but not that I'm afraid

I've always thought Marilyn Manoson has come across rather well in interviews I've seen him in..... Articulate fellow, as it goes.

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1371819576' post='2118492'] AH! I was confused innit. [b][i]Jeremy is the bassist's name.[/i][/b] And I reckon he's about right, I played with Zulu on the same bill as the Levellers, there were loads of people there like that Thank you Si ! [/quote] Bwahahahahahaaaaaa!! Didnt know that, the irony

Jeremy is an awfully middle class twits name for a bunch of grungy traveller cool as hell alternative lifestyle so hip it hurts eco warrior mofos isnt it???

In reaper you can use ReaFir to do noise reduction - works very spiffily indeed....

No danger of that, listen to the last mix comp, mine was one of the only mixes that didnt sound like it was put together by someone who had forgotten their hearing aid

My hearing goes up to around 15.5KHz, I'm 43 and when I was 21 it went up to 19KHz easily Age sucks!

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1371720052' post='2117238'] No, I can, I checked on another source. I can hear up to 18,500 [/quote] So it is either the headphones, or the soundcard, or the amp that is struggling. What soundcard are you using (hint: if its a built in card on you motherboard it quite possibly cant produce anything above 16KHz) Or there is something in your set up that is preventing this working.... Basically it isnt nearly a good enough or complete enough test at this point to suggest its the headphones that are at fault I think...

The sad truth is you probably can't hear over 16KHz I'm afraid

You can do thstautomaically in Reaper too, can't remember what they call the process in the manual now but it's pretty easy....

Agreed, its far easier in the studio where you can use all sorts of plausible reasons why we might be best changing this or that. The single most important thing in recording a drumkit (other than get rid of squeaks) is to get tip top new head on, if the guy canes his kit you want to change the snare batter head daily if possible, and the kick batter head every couple of days. Try explaining that to him when he says he wants to sound like BillyBobn from DeathMettleHardcoreMuthaF***ers or whatever.... Its not really any dfferent live IME. Just there is a lot less time to get it right

TIme to do some experimenting with drum tuning and dampening and mic position - then worry about the eq! Remember what sounds great acoustically a 6 feet away, is not necessarily going to be perfect miced at 2 inches, or trnaslate as you'd like when its in a mix. EQ should eb the last thing you reach for (alongside compression) to solve this IME. What mic have you got? - If you dont have a dedicated kick mic I'd seriously recommend the Red5Audio kick mic, bang for buck its superb How is the drum tuned? Check this video out:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n35K6vB52ok That tuning method, just above the resonant pitch of the kick will give you more punch thatn anything else I've tried live or int the studio. Most drummers tune their kick too high, unkless its jazz, stay awys from that it woint help. The batter skin will feel dead floppy to the drummer, he will need to tighten up the kick return spring probably to be able to play the same as before. He will bitch, then get used to it, because he will love the sound of his drum in the end. How is the drum dampened and where have you tried placing the mic? - Sounds to me like you want not too much click, but plenty of definition, an older school sound say more 70's than noughties. - Try getting the pillow out of the drum, instead, get a fluffy new hand towel, fold it in three longways, lay it in the bottom of the kick drum so the ends overlap the front and back skin (by 4 or 5 inches max). It will seem a little ringier than you are used to, now on the resonant skin roll the towel back under itself, it needs to still be against that skin, so its dampening, but not killing the front skin. Getting the mix of the bass tone and decay right with dampening at this point is super important, most drummers are used to hearing super short punchy sounds and overdamp their kit as a result (even in the video above its overdamped), taking some dampening away will give the kick a note, some duration and a bigger transient, it will also be acoustically louder. All this will help to ttranslate into a better mic'ed sound, even if you have to compress/gate it after the fact a little to control it. In order to have punch you need a striong transient and plenty of energy just after it, over damping the kick kills the transient a bit but removes all energy behind the transient meanin you get a less punchy kick, not a more punchy kick. - Place the mic first outside the front ofthe the drum an inch or two off the resonant head, this is a classic old school position for the kick mic, having taken a lot of damoening out of the drum the mic will pick up lots of attack, and a bit of a tone from the ring, which will supply some body, but it wont ever quite be clicky. - If thats not working move the mic over the hole in the skin and point it from just level with the skin straight at where the beater hits the batter skin, you will get more click, you may need to adjust the dampening going on from here, which will mean getting that towel over the resonant skin more o rless, the batter skin usually is always fine with a 3 or 4 inch overlap of towel in my experience. The result yo are aiming for is a slightly longer note than you get now, with a lot more punchiness and a rounder transient. The Red5Audio kick mic, like most of the rest, has a nice big cut in the low mid, and a boost around 4KHz and 60 to 80Hz. Which with a well positioned mic and a well set up drum may be all you need to capture the sound you describe without any eq on the desk at all. If you need to eq still though, at least you have something morethan a dampened transient to actually apply the eq to, it will go a lot further in the mix than it did before!

[quote name='MiltyG565' timestamp='1371596777' post='2116108'] Fantastique! I'll put his track up alongside mine when it's done. Proper anonymity, eh? [/quote] Get him to join BC, then if his is a killer mix he can tell everyone what he did

Not at all....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lifn7KXC5fg

The original intent was for it to be a Mix 'Competition', as opposed to a Remix Competition. Heavy on the sharing of the how you did something to make the stems available sound great, rather than replacement and reorganisiation for your own creative ends. There are still good reasons to make some arrangement changes, (normally they would be more to do with muting unnecessary things) and given the issues on the stems there is a good (unusually so) argument for drum replacement. Keep in mind the idea is to present as much as possible the performance you are given in the best light it can be, rather than turning it into an example of EDM when its supposed ot be reggae

[quote name='xilddx' timestamp='1371559781' post='2115482'] [url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/7919-how-was-your-gig-last-night/page__view__findpost__p__2112624"]http://basschat.co.u...ost__p__2112624[/url] [/quote] Heh bad form - how many times have I've mentioned that sound engineers who dont run their rig at appropriate voluems for the venue are the scourge of live music in this day and age - and its always the bands who get the bad rap for it too!

[quote name='xgsjx' timestamp='1371562271' post='2115545'] As long as you don't do to me what they're doing to the poor drummer! He's getting replaced by a frikkin drum machine!!! Edited to put the smiley in so no one thinks that I was being serious. [/quote] Mr_NigelClutterbuck_VST for you I'm afraid