LukeFRC

Small sound/big sound mini I would maybe use *both* drive and cab sim. Not sure the best cab sim pedals mind, tc impulse if irs, or broughton high pass/ low pass if doing basic chopping thr ends off - the tonex mini thing might be cheapest smallest thing to give you a whole amp cab at end of chain? 🤷

Or grizzly bass which has a top end roll off

I think the point is what does the audience hear. drives will often sound harsh - I would be looking for a cab sim or high pass/low pass after the drives to help things sound natural through iem, and front of house. otherwise my stock answer is ss/bs mini or clone of!

Irony being if Lovetone bring it back they will probably be buying the bbd chips from … behringer!

Given there’s not much new in analogue electronics, and given we are in a topic about behringer …. I think that counts for lovetone as an original adaptation of an existing topology! Something like the 3leaf Photon is similarly a refined version to the point it becomes its own thing

Not every one, there's a few ways to do an envelope filter electronically... the Meatball is a very very hyped Mutron 3 topology. Not that my pedantry matters, as we know from the 6 billion Big Muff varients tuning circuits and a few components being different values can make a massive variation on sound.

I think they are using Aion’s PCBs for at least some of their stuff

Do you think they bought one and traced it themselves or just used Aion FX's or someone on freestompboxes trace?!

If it's a live brand it's a lot easier to send Behringer a cease and desist letter for using name and trade dress?

Isn’t there a funkulator in the grizzly?

The bassrig stuff is modelling the preamp, poweramp, reactive load and cab sim that’s been tuned to match the original cab - it’s going to do one thing but it’s going to do it really really well. the VTDI is a preamp with a simple cab sim at the end, I don’t know how complex it it is shape wise. Where I’ve seen an electrical examination of the VTDI the character knob is a variable eq curve that can dial in a more driven sound, or dial it out (b15 a like) It’s a great pedal big “I want a B15 sound in a pedal” investigations don’t often mention the VTDI as an option. I think they sit in different categories, an Ampeg sgt would be a closer alternative- or if you really were after two bass amps on a budget the tonex one would probably do it digitally. Origin aren’t doing it in digital, are U.K. made and are aiming at a level of “let’s engineer this thing well” where price point and value for money aren’t their primary driver of what they are doing.

I've seen the guts of both (well a Origin Bassrig, not the new one) and they are very different in terms of the electrical complexity of what they are doing - so I'm not sure it's as simple as saying one pedal can do two sounds and another brand needs two pedals to do the samething.

I wonder how much trouble you could cause by taking your professional looking image and sticking on the other bass forum and Facebook groups with "have you seen this - so looking forward to it" type comments ....

Nah- I think price point will be ok - they have sold plenty of the other bass rigs - if you can afford it it won’t be a problem, and it’s cheaper than an amp and cab.

I was without my phone for a few days and got back to my emails and saw their mailing list one and thought you would be very very happy !

Like I think most of my list of diy pedals I want to build sometime to try are on there! (And only one and a half I’ve already built )

Except it's not a complete non starter is it? Because you're taking you time to post on a thread about a pedal that actually exists and is selling well for bass players that uses pitch detection to drive a synth engine. Is it a solution for every case, obviously not. Is it the perfect solution, clearly not for the reasons you've just explained... yet here we are with other people working around the limitations and bending the laws of physics. Some folk will decide the MXR is the perfect flavour for their band, others will use something else, or will use keyboards, or in your case you will skip synth bass sounds as you don't have space for a keybords or want to use pedals other than your multifx unit, and others will have no interest in synth bass whatsoever... the point is different people will come to different conclusions and decisions. Someone who owns the pedal the thread is about and giving opinions on how it tracks on "does your mother know" is far more interesting.

I can promise you all this - if I ever get to do an international tour outside Japan I will definitely buy both an actual key synth, a MXR and FI4vip and take them all around the world - comparing them for all my basschat fans. You'll then see at least one of the three in the for sale section here post tour. This is my solemn promise to you all.

What like literally 36v or split +-18v?

the 3rd party "rain" block you can add on that is cool

One of those invisible mods