LukeFRC

So several years (5!) back I started asking questions about FRFR systems etc... except I didn't know that, I asked a question about how going into a practice at a church, the bass sound out of the HK DART monitor in front of me was one of the best sounds I had ever had. And was asking why, I think it was @stevie who pointed out that multiple amps a decent horn and multiband limiting would make a nice sounding bass tone with the payoff being that you would loose a lot of the bottom end. Interestingly a local selling group has just posted a couple of these up for sale for pretty cheap. I guess ex-hire. but very cheap. Quoted: 105db @1w/1m half space (whatever that means), Max 123db @1m (at 10% THD) +/- 3db : 80hz - 19kHz +/- 10db : 60hz - 22kHz How does their low end compare to something like the QSC K12.2? As in... not on the stats which I can look up, but on how will that feel to use as a FRFR cab? EDIT: Interestingly looking at the specs for the different settings for the K12.2 looking at a response graph that I found on several US retailers websites, the published specs for the K12.2 is on a "full range" setting which features a big bass boost between 60-100Hz ... DSP towards flat the -10db point is higher about 70Hz...

Do these GK amps work the same as the RB ones? On them to ‘warm it up’ you can Turn the volume almost full on and then use the gain to control the volume

Quilter’s 1x12 are also using the 3012 and look interesting.

I take the cable up my spine, the clip can go on my collar, the plug end can use a belt loop and (in my case) the wired connector can go in my back pocket - meaning any tugs will be on my trousers not the cable of my ears ... once it’s in place pick your bass up, I doubt the strap will affect it. the main reason to go up the back though is if eather earpiece falls out then it just rests on your shoulder, easily to hand to put back in. If you go up the front there is some risk it gets tangled in your instrument or is harder to find mid song if it drops out.

I splashed out on the larger metal cased Bournes for my last project bass. While being nicer to work with because of the size I didn't find any difference between them and Alpha or one of the cheaper makes in practice... I remember thinking this as I had problems with both of them. The nicer ones @itu is recomending are obviously different and a step up. Lin for tone and Log for volume works well. Biggest tip is to use an "MN" pot for a blend if you're using one - it means that at centre position both pickups are 100% as opposed to normal blend pots where the middle is each pickup at 50%. (though for a Jazz VVT works just as well and doesn't load the pickups as much. )

Really? I didn’t know that! Edit: I think I first heard the song heard about on basschat and the first YouTube video of the song looks like it’s him on a fretless jazz

One - impressive. Two - how much more impressive is it that Jaco played it on a four string with no frets!

FYI to make the volume of the cab (based on exterior dims) the same as the barefaced compact it would need to be 16cm shorter. That horn is 17.2cm high....

You’ve a 125mm wide port ending only 110mm from the back wall... so not much wiggle room there the baffel if it went on a diet I think could only be made 50mm thinner and narrower maybe, if everything fitted... It’s hardly big gains there... maybe if you used the port on the side that would let it shrink down more... and you’re having to reengineer construction, baffel and so on. How much smaller would you want it? The previous version v2 had s smaller tweeter and different porting so maybe that would work? That used the Bayma driver though.

My guess is there’s two problems with this... one shrinking it means you’re going to have to compromise things to get it ‘flat’ again - and also the front baffel is pretty crowded so I doubt those dimensions can shrink much (and if they did the Xover would need jiggling(?) and it’s only 26cm deep - loose much more and you will struggle having enough space behind the port that it doesn’t get affected by the back wall...

Again - how decent? How low do they go?

Isn't someone selling a F112 in the for sale section? Buy first - ask questions later! HERE:

Most bass cabs won’t aim to reproduce much of the fundamental. Apart from ACME.

Stood out for me: the Spector, The fodera jazz thing The Pino sig (mainly as the flats sounded nice) And the Sadowsky That's four... oh well.

Did cutting the lows and boosting the midrange not work with the BB2?

I've tried Hi-Beams and Fat-beams Both feel great - they both have a round core rather than hex which means they feel nice on the flexibility stakes. The Hi-beams I don't get on with massively, as they age the tone gets a bit uneven. Fat-beams have no kinda problem and are simply amazing. Big full sound and best of all, as they age the tone doesn't change much. They last for ages until they hit a wall and go really dead. In my experience of having them as my favoured string for the last 10 years or so I would say that the "dead" zone comes after a year and a half! They are great. For a lower cost similar alternative Newtone round core strings are pretty good and I enjoy them.

Pointed me to an approved repairer when my Walkabout transformer blew up. Anyone found any more videos of the WD800

Yeah but then I would try to lift it and settle on the wd800

Dunno, but OT the big three or retail chains in the uk have formed their own buying group to cut out the distributer and try and compete with European internet retailers like Bax and Thomann. For what it’s worth if I were amp shopping with a stack of cash my top two I would want to try would be the WD800 and the Berg B|amp

Presumably he’s asking if retailers who sell Mesa have organised themselves into one big price fixing team ?

Tried the Fatbeams? I find they have a more even tone and stay really stable tonally as they age. Hi Beams I like but found they got more middy as they got older. Mind you if you're changing them every month you might not be getting the same sounds as me! I find a set of DRs will last me a year or two before going dead. ....

I think it's more how the Mesa>distributer>retailer model works. Mesa seem to be one of the good guys in the business in terms of how they act, and the products look and sound amazing and there are probably massive benefits in having a distributer doing that work for you, liasing with retailers, and for being that interface to help deal with repairs. I'm not criticising any company being set up that way because it probably makes sense - but it does add on a whack to the prices (both new and for parts) for us, and must limit then number of units you can sell to Europe. But hey, I'm sure that goes the other way too for other items that are made in the EU or UK.

great demo @agedhorse (mind you I skipped 2/3 of the parametrics!) I don't think there's that much negativity here, from my POV and having not heard it, it's probably in the top two of my best and most interesting new amps available now to buy. The features are well thought out and from the demo it nails some of the Walkabout sound that I like. However, and in trying to explain some of the feelings you're picking up... Say I wanted a new amp, and went to our specialist UK bass shops and went to Bassdirect, and the Bass Gallery, I also went online to see what Thomann would sell me. My spec sheet is I want a new amp in the 700-1200w range from. I want something lightweight so I'm not looking at the SVT options or anything with a valve power stage... So I go online to a great bass forum like Basschat...and maybe google also takes me to Talk bass and I get a list of available makers... Aguilar Ampeg Ashdown Bergantino Darkglass EBS Eich EA Fender Genzler GK Glockenklang MarkBass Orange Quilter TC Electronic Trickfish Warwick and of course Mesa... Now having just checked those three retailers websites, I could choose any of the amps manufactured by any of those companies (excepting big SVT and valve power stages) and the Mesa WD-800 is the most expensive option to me, of any of them! I can pick and choose of a worlds worth of high end bass amps, from mass manufactured through to boutique, and the WD800 is the priciest of them all. Now I've no doubt it's a great amp, maybe one of the best - but over here, on price alone, Mesa position themselves as the Porsche of the amp world. Maybe that's justified, but a lot of us will never get to own a Porsche.

You get the amp too or just the preamp? That preamp should sound nice fed into your ip310

They did, I was wrong - and where did you find one?