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[quote name='Annoying Twit' timestamp='1413221106' post='2576018'] In a discussion such as this, it's always easy to talk about personal experience, the statements of experts, and what seems logical. However, there are lots of examples where all of these can be referenced, but even then, the claim is wrong. If we want to know if body wood makes a significant (e.g. audible to a human) difference, then the only way to know for sure is a well designed and executed experiment. And when experiments have been done, they suggest that body wood does not make an appreciable difference to the tone of a solid body electric guitar/bass. This doesn't mean that the question is answered. It's often possible to design a more robust experiment. However, from the actual information we have, the claim that body wood does not make a significant difference seems to be winning out. There are plenty of examples of how myths can take hold. E.g. bi-wiring of amps has been shown by scientific tests to be worthless. However, speaker manufacturers don't dare to release speakers without ports for bi-wiring, as they wouldn't be able to sell them. The myth is too strongly and widely believed. It could well be that the same applies to electric solid-body bass body woods. [/quote]I think that the way it's tested is interesting, as I said earlier when looking at wood it only makes sense as a component in a mechanical system - so the test that's oft quoted was the fella on talkbass who made bass who swapped a well made alder body or something for a lump of mdf, basswood or a railway sleeper or something (i forget what)- and people couldn't tell the difference. Which is fine if type of wood is the only thing we are looking at - but the massive lump of wood used was very thick - and therefore stiffer than the the same material at a thinner shape. Like for like shapes we know that the grain structure on alder for instance is very different to ash - and the density of wenge is different to maple - if these things are of different stiffnesses then we should expect some difference - there's a video of Jens Ritter talking about using thinner bodies as the extra flex shortens the sustain giving a sound he wanted.... the top end luthiers seem to go one of three ways - some engage with the woods to try and use them to create a "sound" (warwick a long time ago seemed to do this), the second type seem to use the Alembic approach in creating a mechanically stiff and fairly neutral platform with the woods and use the electronics to create the sound, and the third type are between them and offer all sorts of wood finishes cos they know bass players will buy them! [quote name='PlungerModerno' timestamp='1413225563' post='2576104'] Well in some ways tires are more like strings - or maybe the speaker cones???? It's not easy when you take an analogy to a ridiculous length... In any case I agree. The body wood could be compared to the body / chassis of the car. As long as it's not too flexible or brittle the car should work great - at least for a while! [/quote] unless you are adrian Newey in which case you use the flex in the floor of your car to gain a performance advantage over everyone else...

810 secondhand are pretty cheap when they come up....

the three musketeers, bill and others will probably have this/not need it... but someone linked to it on TB and it may be interesting for some... https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_l73GVBBlIUNTc2YTc2YTktNTNmYi00YWNmLTlmY2ItZTU0MTRhMzdkYTAy/edit?pli=1

What I don't get... seeing as there is such consensus that they are such awful cabs... why won't someone sell me a cheap unwanted Big baby 2, or big baby?

[quote name='andybassdoyle' timestamp='1413202636' post='2575747'] Simply put, is it worth selling up the collection in order to fund one high quality instrument? [/quote] Simply put... no. Unless you know exactly the bass you want. I just had a look through some of your "topics started" - and there were at least 4-5 basses sold, or up for sale in the £1400-1500 mark - from high end makers.... so I'm guessing selling them all to get one would be a fairly high price bass.... which is fine - go to bass gear or somewhere and play your fodearas and your Wal's and the like - and if one clicks with you then maybe that could be the one. But watch the "more expensive is better" thing... it's not - you could pick up a bass for £300 secondhand or something that could be "your bass".... but the problem is with the selling it all to get one idea isn't the bass - it's the pressure you're putting on yourself to find that "one" - only to find in a couple of years you're playing in a different band when all you need is a decent P tone.... No bass is 10 out of 10, thats why lots of folks have more than one. Enjoy it, change them around sometimes.... have fun...

that's great - the SB2 and el toro are both basses I'ld like to try at some point. oh and a L1000.... interesting about the neck construction too - I think Peavey did the same with the T40

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1413202668' post='2575748'] Was it Bernie Goodfellow that said the woods do make a difference but no two are the same even from the same type of wood so you can't 'spec' a type of wood for a type of tone making the whole argument basically a non starter? He said he doesn't know what it will sound like until he plugs it in didn't he? And the best sounding bass he made was made from pieces of scrap wood glued together for shits and giggles! [/quote] which would make sense how we can buy loads of basses and every so often find one where the sound, weight, pickups, look and feel in our hands all fit together to be an excellent instrument. I do find the whole discussion a bit odd. I kinda want to go, yes of course the wood makes a massive difference, it's an firstly a acoustic instrument with a pickup..... but then when we get into a discussion about "tonewoods" then I want to point out that it really makes very little difference. The sound of the modern bass guitar is derived, or we understand in relation to the sound of a fender.... and he used the woods he could get that mechanically worked and he could source easily. It was a mass market product.

it's the isle of [b]Skye[/b] not sky......

I think to a certain extend the wood does affect the sound, the neck and body act as a spring and dampener to the vibrations in it - what it's made, and how it's constructed will have effects on the way a note acoustically sounds. I have two warwicks with brand new strings on, both 4 string, both same brand, one is made of maple with wenge fretboard, the other is wenge and bubinga.... can you hear the difference unplugged.... nope. can you make any sweeping generalisations? probably not. is it worth stressing over "tone wood" in your custom build? probably not, find someone who knows how to use wood and trust their exp. are pickups and pickup design far far more important? yep

[quote name='Kiwi' timestamp='1411237279' post='2557828'] Thanks EZ. It started off being Jaydee meets Fodera and Steinberger but with the way its turning out I suspect it'll be more Steinberger, Jaydee and PRS. The maple top is breath taking. [/quote] I also have just noticed this thread - that build looks amazing - it looked pretty cool a few posts back but then that blue making the top pop out - it'll look amazing polished up! The sound hole does make me think a little of model made by a company we don't see up for sale much around here...

good shout a good day all-round - big bass buy then a kick about

football boots while photographing your bass there?

[quote name='jgmh315' timestamp='1413095561' post='2574799'] I sold an MTD a few weeks ago and it's now back up at nearly double the price! [/quote] this makes me sad, I'm not sure that would have happened on Basschat a couple of years back. EDIT: just checked and don't think it was on here you sold it?

[quote name='Ashdown Engineering' timestamp='1412981078' post='2573937'] Hey Kev, [color=#808080][i]......sniped out for brevity's sake....[/i][/color] Let me know what you reckon... [/quote] aww this sort of thing makes me wanna look at Ashdown stuff again Though I'm not naturally inclined to the sound of the ABM preamp for some reason, was struggling with one on monday, which to be fair I don't think is purely the fault of my interactions with the preamp..... Does anyone know what the VU meter actually shows? is that input or output?

scrub that - they've moved back to Maldon Stock up on salt when you're down there? The local micro brewery is good, and the pub on the hythe

[quote name='kevvo66' timestamp='1413012412' post='2574054'] Dear ashdown , I will take you up on your kind offer give me a date and time and I will come down ,I live in south cheshire ,quit a track but I'm looking forward to it do I need to phone you direct to arrange this? .regards kev [/quote] When you're down there Highlands house park is nice.

I think the most interesting thing about tks is that they have joined this forum and... We'll you can tell they understand the tech. That's cool. Also glad it wasn't just me hearing a really middy response on some barefaced cabs (not all) comparing a big one to my acme b2.... Well one sounded better than the other and I didn't even look at the handles! I'm thinking of building a fearful and putting my own bad handles on!

[quote name='JamesTun' timestamp='1412813389' post='2572432'] I saw it was made in Korea. But with models like these, there isn't much difference honestly. Yeah you can say that Warwick Pro bass series and the made in Germany ones are leagues apart. But maybe that's because of the price. [/quote] technically Germany and Korea are leagues apart.... [quote name='discreet' timestamp='1412839220' post='2572472'] OK, there are different versions. I'm just trying to negotiate the maze of Warwick models and specifications! It's confusing! [/quote] German > Korean > Chinese Except Japanese, and theres only one model of them AFAIK - and they have some fans. But German pre C1999 are supposed to be better than post C1999 - and pre 1992 better than post 1992. except post 2012-13 when they went back to the pre 1992 specs (wenge, solid brass hardware etc) except using CAD machines instead of hands.... Pre 1987-88 ish and they are different again with one piece bridges.... Also bare in mind that when they "went upmarket" in 2012ish they were moving the cheaper models to korea... now they seem to have happy players of the people on here who own them - Artisan springs to mind (user name, not actually an artisan, well he may be no way of knowing) - so given the korean built ones apparently use german parts, and really the presumption that Koreans may build bad instruments has little behind it then a Korean Warwick may be waybetter than a German warwick from the period where Warwick basses have a bad rep. who knows? Oh and a polish made warwick is probably a Mayones which used to look a lot like Warwick's cousin from behind the iron curtain .... of course if you look up where warwick are based you may question that, but they were in west Germany until about 1992.....

can you tell me a bit more about how they sound?

Is the start of people realising (secondhand) warwicks are pretty great? I think the main reason I joined basschat was to convince warwickhunt to sell me a ss1 back when they were the least fashionable basses known to man ...