LukeFRC

hmmm [url="http://www.rareelectricguitar.com/Fodera-Victor-Wooten-Yin-Yang-Standard-4-String-sale_893.html"]http://www.rareelectricguitar.com/Fodera-Victor-Wooten-Yin-Yang-Standard-4-String-sale_893.html[/url]

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1378514064' post='2201460'] Touching on what folks like Molan had to say earlier , I personally have always gravitated towards the highest quality basses , even when I was a kid looking at pictures in magazines ( that's all we had for bass porn in the days before the internet ) with no means to buy them . However , now that I have a bit more money, I have realised that most of those basses are completely superfluous to my real - world practical needs . I honestly think that you get most bang for your buck at around the just-over-a -thousand-pounds mark . An American Standard Fender Jazz will do everything that a U.S - made Lakland Joe Osborn or passive Celinder Jazz will , and it's not so expensive or difficult to replace that you need to worry unduly about looking after it . The way to get the most out of any bass is to play it and use it , and there is an inertia for most people that makes them handle expensive custom basses with kid gloves compared to more generic instruments . I am no fan of his playing , but it's great to see Victor Wooten playing his Foderas with scant regard for wear and tear , and Stanley Clarke spanks his Alembics with an equally gay abandon . That's the way to do it , in my opinion . That is what [i]really [/i]constitutes a good investment in a bass - to play it and love it . Overall , once you actually get your hands on them and play them . there is far less difference than you might think in the final results between a very good mass- production instrument ( i.e U.S.A Fender , EBMM, Lakland Skyline , ect ) and most very expensive boutique basses . There are , of course, plenty of notable exceptions , but I can't help but notice that many ( maybe even most ) great players in various eras who we all admire were capable of getting amazing results on fairly standard equipment . [/quote] +1 I sold a few basses I've had because I began feeling too precious about playing them. My streamer was bought well played and loved, and remains well played and loved. [quote name='lojo' timestamp='1383028843' post='2259192'] This also reflects our strange relationships with basses, you effectively lost a sale on your instrument because you didn't want to see it get gigged and become roadworn, nothing wrong or right about it though. I'm only a weekend player, pubs, parties and functions, but I'm getting drawn to a decent (I mean 1.5k, some may consider that low) bass , which is way beyond my needs, but I played one recently and I did notice the quality and playability. If I buy one, is that an indulgence ? [/quote] nah, the person in question wanted to buy my bass secondhand for £900 so he could keep his new USA fender version of the same bass in pristine condition under his bed to gain value… or something. no its not an indulgence if you play it

took it to practice today. In possibly the worst room for amplified music…. It needs a set up still… but it sounds nice - very try different to anything i've played before soundwise. Can do quite rock.

have a read through this thread, similar questions and a lot cleverer answers than I could give....[url="http://basschat.co.uk/topic/210554-pa-gear-as-bass-ampcab-one-of-the-most-amazing-bass-tones-ive-heard/"]http://basschat.co.uk/topic/210554-pa-gear-as-bass-ampcab-one-of-the-most-amazing-bass-tones-ive-heard/[/url]

whatever you do Mr Foxen wants his gut shots!

Milty - are you coming out the closet as a gigging bass player?

[quote name='bramleyapple' timestamp='1382868433' post='2257275'] Im happy with the comments above. As always people on here always leave great comments! [/quote] mine was a failed comment on your intelligence but never mind!

[quote name='Urban Bassman' timestamp='1382901023' post='2257821'] Lets start with what you have now... [/quote] Tecamp Puma 1000 into Tecamp M210 4 ohm. I'm thinking might go for a separate pre and power amp.

[quote name='Mr. Foxen' timestamp='1382659907' post='2255253'] The come in a tolerance range. These seem to be tested and the on spec ones labelled "nitrous" and the 10% under spec ones labelled "clean". The +10% ones presumably go elsewhere. [/quote] if you were clever you kept the +10% ones and sold them as super nitro....

theres not really a question there is there?

I'm getting rig change itch. I like nice clean transparent bass sounds. I like the fatness of my ACG equiped Warwick. It sounds great. But I also think that the big clean sound is... well... not a big warm valveyness. But then if I found a fatter warm valve sound would I miss the clean quick response of my solid state amp? Which I've heard reviewed that it sounds a bit like a clean high end valve amp anyway....

[quote name='pete.young' timestamp='1382781571' post='2256454'] I think there's probably more to pre-amp design than meets the eye. If I were going to build a pre-amp, I think an interesting starting point would be the one in the Yamaha Nathan East BBNE2 . I'm lucky enough to own one of these and in my opinion it's the best sounding bass I've ever heard, which must have something to do with the pre-amp. The pre-amp circuit and a list of all the components is included in the Yamaha Service manual. I think it would be an interesting project to build one of these - obviously you wouldn't need the active circuits on the pickups, but the rest of it seems feasible. It's a long-term project to take the circuit diagram, stick it into TinyCAD/VEECAD and see what the layout would look like. The service manual also includes the Yamaha PCB design but I think reproducing that would be beyond my abilities. [/quote] or even the Yamaha PB1 preamp that noelk was saying was good on another thread

Marcus Miller Jazz V is a USA made bass costing about £2000. You were able to buy one for £120. There's enough information there that will stop most people being stung

[quote name='Badass' timestamp='1382716550' post='2255889'] Great stuff. I off to check those pedals out. Massive thanks for all the help you guys have given me. [/quote] where you based? surely we can find someone with an ACG pre not far from you. (though you have ACG in your sig?)

Possibly thinking of selling up my Tecamp rig, am I going to regret it? (Disclaimer, this isn't a cheeky sales post, and i'm fully paid up on here anywho.. )

isn't that what a wah does? My ACG preamp does it too... for a pedal it wouldn't be too dificult to build a state variable filter in a pedal that does it.

[quote name='Marvin' timestamp='1382650144' post='2255146'] I agree, best place for it...I don't listen to radio 1. A demonstration by technically gifted people indulging in showboating and making music completely soulless. [/quote] the technical gifting is a step up from most the stuff on the radio....

Jon! Welcome back! Soo so so so so so so so good to see you again hope you're well! Oh and I already bought a '77 BB1200 this week thanks.

I would love it if this sort of thing ended up on radio one.

[quote name='Happy Jack' timestamp='1382630403' post='2254713'] Not wishing to de-rail the topic, but when I want to check out rare & exotic (or just plain old expensive) basses I don't go to a shop ... I go to Basschat. If you spend any decent amount of time on this site, you will end up knowing people who own just about everything and who will (usually / often / invariably) be happy to welcome you into their lovely home and let you play with their toys. As to deciding which of several instruments will work best in the band(s) I play in, I would never try to do that either in a shop or at a show. The only place you can do that is in the band. [/quote] +1 [quote name='neepheid' timestamp='1382631042' post='2254725'] I should clarify - there are two music shops within walking distance of me, but their bass sections are the mere slightest nod to the fact that basses actually exist. The only places in Scotland worth a damn for basses are in Edinburgh and Glasgow (and Glasgow is better than Edinburgh in my experience). KiOgon - I would love to only have to travel the distances you quoted to find some decent bass action [/quote] Glasgow is a lot better. Red dog in edinburgh is nice but lots and lots more bass shops in glasgow.

[quote name='Dingus' timestamp='1382620069' post='2254495'] I would say that the sound has got a very strong midrange fundamental to it and has very extended frequency range compared to a Fender i.e the treble extends further and the bass goes deeper , so you could say that compared to a Fender , it's just got more of everything . The Yamaha sounds a lot more modern than a Fender by virtue of the laminated neck-thru construction and chunkier bridge , but it's still got plenty of Precision- like.growl to get it placed just right in the mix . The reverse P pickup probably helps a bit with that , too . The BB1200 is a lot less muted-sounding that a typical Fender , with much more sustain and a wider "ping" of overtones to the note. Imagine what a revelation that sound was in 1977 nwhen the choice for most bass players was between a bog standard Precision , Jazz Bass or Rickenbacker ( if they were lucky) . Bear in mind that this bass of yours was taking on the market at exactly the same time as the then brand new Music Man Stingray , so exciting times to be a bass player in 1977 , no doubt . You may be interested to know that , if I recall correctly, that Yamaha were so keen to make a big impression with the first production run of these BB basses that were allocated to the North American market that , rather than just send them from Japan to their U.S distributor , they were instead shipped to Alembic, the most revered guitar builders in the World at that time ( and probably still are now) to be given a final check-over and setup . The resultant uber-Yamaha's were then presented to , among others, the cream of California's bass musos who took to the immidiately and Yamaha's reputation for making great basses was established . Players like Lee Sklar , Jimmy Haslip , Larry Klein , Verdine White and Abraham Laboriel ( to name but a few ) adopted Yamaha basses and used then to great effect on loads of records from that era ( I can tell you which ones if you are interested . ) Like so many Japanese companies of the time , Yamaha had a long -term plan to establish themselves a major force in their chosen market and were willing to invest time, money and effort in achieving that goal . Like so many other Japanese business modelsin other industries , it worked, Not so long after these basses were introduced , Yamaha introduced its; PB1 bass preamp , and if you ever get a chance to buy one of them cheap I would grab it with both hands . They were relatively affordable , beautifully made and had one of the best sounds of any bass preamps I have ever heard right up to to the present day . A monumentally good piece of kit , but you don't see that many about secondhand, for some reason . One of the best bass guitar -orientated products ever , I have got my own conspiracy theory that it was discontinued because it was too good and made most other companies products look like a waste of money by comparison . A lost classic that will still beat most of the competition hands down , no doubt . [/quote] Oddly the closest thing I've played to this before now was an alembic, didn't want to say before cos it would sound odd - but it's got a similar playing feel, musicality and evenness to it.