LukeFRC

everyone copies fender... so they got their own back by making their very own... burns?

ooofff heavy!

[quote name='owen' timestamp='1372964590' post='2132278'] Did I mention the weight? [/quote] you did, but not how much it was, how heavy is it?

I think there are a number of things here.... Would I be happy without an amp? Just through the PA? Yes given a good foldback monitor (see the thread on this in the amp section about using PA gear instead/as an amp) - I would quite happily just plug straight into a DI box, my basses, and my playing, is good enough that that works for me. In some cases it is easier than having your own amp and you can get a better onstage and FOH mix. Would I use a modeling amp? No not in a million years! I've tried and I found.... it wasn't great at adjusting on the fly, and every one i've tried has had an effect seeming to compress my tone and dynamics in a very non natural and musical way. In the same way I've played live with our drummer using a top-of-the-range very very nice electronic drum kit- sounded immense from the FOH - but to play along with their seems to be so much compression going on.... you loose something. So I don't like the modeling stuff I've tried.... they also confuse me... cos I don't get why anyone would... well if I were wanting to go that route I really don't know why I wouldn't buy an audio interface... cos I'm pretty sure my macbook can act as better audio processor, with more options at hand and easily editable, than pretty much anything line 6 make.... or if I were going the other way, analogue effects/preamp into a DI would give many of the same effects - with the bonus that you could build them yourself.... I think also having worked PA a fair bit- if the POD mixes that sound good with clinical headphones how do you know they won't turn out to have massive variations between patches when played through the idiocyncracies of a live PA and specific rooms? It's not going to behave in the same way. One patch sounds great, next song switch to a patch where the preset EQ on your POD, plus the EQ on the desk, plus the resonant freq. of the room, plus the speakers built in Eq..... and what does the PA guy have to change your FOH eq every time you change a patch?

[quote name='LawrenceH' timestamp='1372942975' post='2131911'] This is the crux of it really, does your particular sound require even dispersion above 1k or so? Plus, do the players who have their cabs below their waists realise how much they can be blasting a beam of treble death across a section of the audience to get it sounding right 30 degrees off axis, where their ears are? I am really interested in knowing more about which frequencies different players prioritise in the way they hear their sound, I am convinced it's really variable. [/quote] the frequencies they prioritise that they want for a tone, or the frequencies the want to hear their sound? I've found that sometimes they are different things, what I tend to need to hear in order to play (in loud/busy mix) is a fair bit higher than I would nessesrally want/need for a bass tone (from FOH point of view)

er ok.... don't know what went on there.... So in my head.... for a full Hi Fi type sound the Berg IP series would possibly be the place to look (if you could find one) as a bass specific powered speaker. After that you have two options... -PA full range speaker, like the HK DART that I've used. But the compromise is not being designed for low frequencies (as in PA these would be provided by subs) or -High end full range Bass Guitar cab, like Acme, Accugroove or Barefaced, which will give you the low end the PA stuff may lack, but won't have the multiband compression or active crossovers that the PA stuff does. The Berg IP range, theoretically had both! (lucky owen)

I think it's kinda still on the original topic Oh and alex.... they had a couple of your cabs, not just the midget - I think it might have been a 2x12 rather than a big one though. The midget was the most impressive for me as it was tiny yet sounded great. Both were really rather good.

[quote name='alexclaber' timestamp='1372876963' post='2131102'] I'd be very happy using a big expensive active PA cab for bass. The Big Series cabs are simply a way of getting that sound in a package that you can bothered to haul to gigs on your own and that works well with most heads so you aren't restricted to outboard/rack preamps or carrying a duplicate power stage which you can't use. I've yet to come across any PA cabs of comparable size and weight which can compete at producing uncompressed high SPL tone and bottom but if there are any I'd like to check them out! [/quote] Hey Alex Chris at Alpher bass let me try out some of your cabs - they were awesome - some of the nicest cabs I've heard. The midget was ridiculous! (in a good way). If I were going to buy a new cab I know where I would be going! I guess people are to a certain extent set in their ways and while to me a (good) powered cab with clever power management and then stick a nice preamp infront of it- But I guess that's going to be unorthodox to a large amount of folk who are used to the ampeg/markbass/ashdown head and a passive cab. (plus I guess a much bigger engineering job to design)

[quote name='hamfist' timestamp='1372838003' post='2130419'] Second .... bass cabs all still seem to be incredibly directional, so I still can't move much from the "optimum" position. Can't beat that big wide horn dispertion of a PA cab. [/quote] I've never found a cab to be that directional, esp the better ones. If anything i've had problems with PA guys not liking the way that even on whisper quiet my bass cab will fill the hall in a way their speakers won't

It's interesting - berg obviously made a powered cab line - then discontinued them. I guess not enough interest/sales/profit margins? It just strikes me, that if that HK DART thing had a tiny bit more low end (and not much more) then, at £600 new online I would seriously think of replacing my rig with it or something similar! It's not too heavy really, it can take a monitor mix too, and can be stood up to look more "amp" like.

[quote name='owen' timestamp='1372851834' post='2130643'] I have a 3x 10" + Compression driver Berg powered cab (IP310). 1Kw powersoft amp module with full DSP. It is a thing of beauty. However it is proper old school thick wood and ceramic magnets to the max so weighs the same as a small house. All is forgiven when I plug it in though [/quote] must sound awesome! I saw you were selling it a year or so back (serching Berg IP in sales section) but you changed your mind?

[quote name='funkle' timestamp='1372764524' post='2129557'] The new greenboy Fearless f112 cabinets have a wedge option, 3 way design (with Faital mid and Faital tweet as optional), padding for the mid to allow for EB/DB use, and slightly greater internal volume than the Thunderchild which allows for slightly greater bass extension. Uses the Eminence 3012LF. Not many reviews on Talkbass yet but it looks like a very interesting cab. Very expensive to get a builder to make one for you...example builder at [url="http://jhawkcustoms.com/fearless.htm"]http://jhawkcustoms.com/fearless.htm[/url] Guess what I've been looking at lately? [/quote] are fearless the ones where the plans are available to build your own? [quote name='shizznit' timestamp='1372770944' post='2129687'] I am currently using one of these (12") in the band I am currently working with and it is incredible...probably the best foldback monitor I have ever used. When rest of the band is playing it sounds like any other foldback monitor I have used, but when we sound check and work on my sound the bass guitar representation is astonishingly good through that HK. It's also really pokey for a 12" foldback. Our engineer can really crank the drums through it without break up. Can't recommend these monitors enough. [/quote] yeah they are great! Was using it again yesterday- listening noticed that there wasn't much low end... but didn't really miss it. What I did miss, was without a preamp I could fiddle with I couldn't roll off my highs very well. Still amaizing sounding bit of gear. Personally, I was seriously wondering why I had this fancy bass amp and stuff, but changing the tweeter setting seems to move the crossover so it sounds a whole lot better now to my ears as more of the high mids are being done by the tweeter- and the whole thing sounds flatter sounding. (which makes sense as they would have probably designed the cab for a certain setting and the others are options. Ok it's still not flat and colourless or anything but it's pretty good.

rant over.... now Mumford and Sons.... Marcus (lead singer, songwriter) used to live in Edinburgh for a bit and we have a few vauge mutual friends. A friend of mine gave me a copy of some of their first recordings, just 4 or 5 songs.... and I stuck them on loop on a mp3 player and would just sit and listen. Yeah the banjo playing was a bit crap (my banjo playing friend says he's technically shockingly simplistic) but their were these soulful and raw sounding tunes with this bluegrass-or-folk-by-people-who-havn't-heard-any-bluegrass-or-folk-but-read-about-it-in-a-book which gave the music and songs an enourmous space - and also did that vast sad songs that sound happy thing (see Frightened rabbit for more of this) with a real emotional energy. The mutual friends were going to do some project in south africa and to raise money put on a gig. Marcus came and played some songs, just him with a guitar. More acoustic indie than bluegrass... and again this same emotional depth and intensity to the music and the songs. And then the album came out. And all the energy and emotion had been sucked out- and it just sounds like a mush and then they got styled as some kind of hipster bluegrass band.... and the second album - I don't even have the urge to go listen.... why a band with 2 albums would headline glasto I don't know...

I don't get the class thing.... so.... most of on here are musicians, and/or spend time on here talking and conversing about it... maybe 90% of folk have an expensive bass- one or two make their living from this bass but the majority of us don't. Most of us work, some in fairly respectable positions. From the off topic conversations we generally follow slightly left of centre or liberal political views.... my guess would be that the majority of basschat are middle class, and probably average age range late 20's to late 30's? .... so why knock a successful band for being middle-class? or are we all pretending we are punk, or snarling rock and roll stars like liam gallagher or something? just strikes me as odd.

I watched that last night too... it's very good.

[quote name='mart' timestamp='1372619522' post='2127799'] The pickups look narrower than standard MEC M-style pups; the coils look closer together. That may account for the larger gap between the two pups. But the body looks contoured more than a standard Corvette, on the front upper edge. Almost like a Streamette or Infinette. [/quote] her face also is squashed. the video is squashed

bannermans. whistle binkies. ...

Well I changed my mind at the last moment and took my Precison to play today. wish I had taken the warwick. Admittedly this proves nothing except telling me which bass I would prob. sell on next!

shop names that come up lots in convo on here... Specialist: Bass Direct, Bass Gear, Bass Gallery Camden, Manchester Bass Lounge Non specialist: GAK, Guitar Guitar, strings direct, stringbusters German mega internet sellers: Thomann me..... Strings from Alpher, gear from Basschat or gumtree several years ago...

[quote name='Mornats' timestamp='1372532790' post='2126987'] Were they the P/J passive pups or the active soapbars? I've got both across my two Tanglewaters and the active soapbars are impressive sounding. I do love the sound of the P/J but have also played a bass with some Wizard pickups in and loved the sound of those. Hmm, gotta think now! [/quote] the passive ones- they were amazing sounding on the bass I played and very balanced with each other. I think that Pup heights are very critical with a PJ setup and balancing them.

only just seen this thread. The tanglewood/overwater I tried in the shop was, IMO a midling made bass with some of the best pups I had heard in a long time- I even emailed overwater to see if they sold them separately!

[quote name='stingrayPete1977' timestamp='1372505054' post='2126527'] Yes and no The black SR5 is really easy to get in the mix and if that fails you can switch into series or single coil mode and beleive me if you cant get it to cut through with the 3 band EQ and in series mode no other bass is going to anyway, the overall sound is not as big as my old pre EB either. On the other hand it looks ace and the neck is lovely and it has that early Stingray sound mucj more like a proper 2 EQ Ray of 70's and 80's era, a bit more trumpety I always think as a way to describe it, think Chic or early Rage Against The Machine. I will see how I get on with it and maybe put a John east pre into it to see if that boosts it up a bit, everyone else that has done that has been pretty happy with the results saying it has completed the pre EB makeover. It is the nicest EBMM bass I have ever seen though and the fit and finish is up there with the best of anything I have ever tried up to £4k. [/quote] something I found last month.... slightly more trumpty, less balls... lower the pup a mm or two....