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Good at playing, rubbish at selling ourselves
Grangur replied to Nicko's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='Japhet' timestamp='1486199886' post='3229957'] Website is crucial in my opinion. If it isn't good enough get it sorted quickly. Live recordings, video clips, Youtube links, testimonials, still photos, bits about band members, equipment you use etc, can all make the thing interesting. Sort out your own publicity stuff as well with posters and business cards so that you leave something there when you visit a potential venue. [/quote] You're right, it's right to have all the Web page stuff in place. Get the cards printed, 3-fold leaflets, or something like that; something the "sales rep" can hand out anduring leave with the management. Set a target date to "launch" the band. Get it all ready by that date. Then get out there and knock on doors. Get a face in front of the people who can book you. Always come away from a meeting with an agreed time for you to go back. And keep a selling diary; if they say "were not look good to book more until April", then agree to go back in April, bur actually go back in 3rd week of March. -
Good at playing, rubbish at selling ourselves
Grangur replied to Nicko's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1486195429' post='3229923'] Thanks. You seem to be in support of a human presence rather than a sole reliance on Internet material. [/quote] "People buy people first". It's a phrase we use in selling. You need to get the guy to like "you" as people. He won't buy into a Web page. When applying for jobs ever wondered how many CVs attachments in emails never get opened, simply because the covering letter message didn't excited them? Now, you were actually THERE... You can lead him through it and you might get the job. As a band you can have a fantastic Web presence. You can have loads of 'likes' and testimonials. But if the customer is too busy loading in the beer and cleaning tables to go online then how good is that? Now if your drummer's pretty girlfriend was standing in front of him with a tablet of pictures and a smile on her face, would he notice? Can he completely ignore her? -
Good at playing, rubbish at selling ourselves
Grangur replied to Nicko's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='SpondonBassed' timestamp='1486187458' post='3229901'] A single point of contact makes sense. In this case the singer. It makes little sense to me to be looking at the Internet for promotion on your local patch. Maybe see what financial implication there is to engaging someone outside of the band. [/quote] Selling the band can be done by any one person who's switched on and has the band's interests at heart. It makes sense to have someone who is "equipped". Set someone up with a folder or tablet that has some images of the band. Some "studio" posed ones would be ok, but you need some that look like the band is playing a gig. After all, you're wanting the guy to take a risk. Their fear is that you look at mess and sound cr@p. So why not hand out CDs as well. The person selling you needs to come across as professional and dependable too. Remember that people don't like to take a risk so you need to make him feel comfortable. A switched-on non-employed wife of the band would be great. But they need to come across as confident and passionate about your performance. -
Sold on Feebay 1990 Ibanez EXSeries EXB-404 bass!
Grangur replied to Grangur's topic in Basses For Sale
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[quote name='dyerseve' timestamp='1486156322' post='3229772'] Lots of people live in Thailand mate, some of whom are very wealthy - just like most other countries! I sold a pair of high end speaker cables to bloke in Thailand years ago, paid via bank transfer, no issues at all. The value of these cables would be more than most of secondhand Status's! Dont know why people are saying not to accept paypal gift. It cannot be reversed which is why it is free to use - no transaction insurance to pay for! [/quote] First, on Thailand you're probably right. On Gift, I don't get that either.
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Sold - Squier Bass VI with LaBella flatwounds - £275
Grangur replied to Westenra's topic in Basses For Sale
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Unless you have lots of experience and know you can rout out for the J pup in a nice, neat fashion, without needing a plate round the pup to make it look acceptable, I'd leave the RW alone too. Even if you can do a neat job, you'll still have a raw wood edge to the cavity anyway.
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[quote name='fftc' timestamp='1486136212' post='3229534'] I think a lot of people didn't take DJ Trump seriously and are now extremely disappointed! I've got a Mexican P and I think it's every bit as good as my US strat. Of course, both were made by Mexicans. Just one lot were in California. [/quote] Probably cut out on the same make of CAD machine too.
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Shameless plug here... http://basschat.co.uk/topic/298839-fs-1990-ibanez-exseries-exb-404-bass-4-string-pj/page__fromsearch__1 It's on Evilbay though. So it'll be gone this weekend unless I pull it
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Sold on Feebay 1990 Ibanez EXSeries EXB-404 bass!
Grangur replied to Grangur's topic in Basses For Sale
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《Stupid noob suggestion》 Have you tried a different lead? I was playing last night and found i had a hiss going on. Changed the lead and problem solved. 《/Stupid noob suggestion》
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Good at playing, rubbish at selling ourselves
Grangur replied to Nicko's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='Monkey Steve' timestamp='1486131134' post='3229471'] +1 to Grangur (and "gobby" was meant more as a criticism of singers than of salesmen) I do think it depends on what market you are after, and you do need to think about the Landlord's position in all this. If you are doing the same stuff as your mate's band but to a better standard, the Landlord probably doesn't care if your mate's band bring in a crowd every time they play (and let's leave whether crowd's notice or care very much about the standard of the playing if they can sing along to the choruses for another thread) and they've already got one band playing AC/DC, the Stones. whatever, so do they need another? maybe you need to make more of an effort to differentiate yourselves and offer something more obviously different Also +1 to Mikel for the loss leader idea - my last covers band got a lot of repeat business by offering to do the first show for half price. We're sort of assuming that you do covers but if you're trying to get on at venues doing originals then that's a completely different market, but it's pretty easy to get support gigs at fairly well known small venues if you just e-mail them and ask if they need a support band for anything that's coming up- the Barfly, Boston Arms, Dublin Castle, Nambucca, etc [/quote] The "loss-leader" is a good one. Maybe even do a short-slot as a support band for free, if it's a local venue. That way the punters who've gone to see another act, will get to see you too. [quote name='nige1968' timestamp='1486131401' post='3229479'] Surely bar staff need love too? [/quote] Sorry, did I have that as a negative? -
Good at playing, rubbish at selling ourselves
Grangur replied to Nicko's topic in General Discussion
[quote name='Monkey Steve' timestamp='1486127481' post='3229426'] what sort of stuff are you playing (originals, covers, genre, etc) and what have you tried? My own experience is that you need someone to take on the manager/promoter side of things - ideally someone who has the gift of the gab (usually the singer, and being gobby does tend to come with their territory) and will happily spend an evening ringing and e-mailing places and chatting to them about why your band is exactly what they need. All the bands I've been in that have struggled to get gigs suffered from a lack of anyone who was good at that, and the ones that have got regular gigs always had one person who was great at it. [/quote] I'm a professional salesman, done it for many years. Steve is right to some degree. You need someone to go out and meet the landlords or club managers etc but it needs to be the right person. Steve says "gobby", what you actually need is someone with the confidence, to do the meetings with a stranger, not necessarily "gobby". It's very easy to fall into the trap of going round loads of places and spout out a practiced script of: "Hello, I'm Wayne, I'm in a covers band, we play AC/DC, Stones, etc etc, etc, We're better than most others round her and we're getting started, when do you have a night free that we can do a night for you?... pause for breath." The problem with this is Wayne, bless him, hasn't asked any questions. A good salesman listens more than speaks. (God gave you 1 mouth and 2 ears, and there's a reason for this. You don't learn as much through talking.) Go into see the manager: [b]Wayne: [/b]Hi I'm Wayne, I'm with XYZ Band, we're just getting started in the area, we think we're good, but I wonder, can you help me please if you have 5 mins? (Folk are naturally helpful, they don't think they want to be sold to, but they like to help) [b]Manger:[/b] No, I'm up to my neck in it. [b]Wayne[/b]: OK I can appreciate that, when would be a good time? - Get an appointment. Or [b]Manager[/b]: Yeah, sure. What can I do? [b]Wayne[/b]; Well I know there are a number of bands about and I see you do live music. If you were looking for a new band, what would you like to see in that band? What sort of music? [b]Manager[/b]: - Now he tells you what you need to know. [b]Wayne[/b]: OK, cool. Just out of interest, of the bands you have here, mentioning no names, are there anythings they do, or don't do that you like, or don't like? I guess, what I'm really asking is what is it in a band that, for you makes the whole deal work well for you and The Kings Arms? [b]Manager[/b]: - Now he tells you more of what you need to know. [b]Wayne[/b]: Cool, That's really helpful. Many thanks. We're a band that does that kind if music, and we can make sure we don't get-loaded / $h@gg the bar staff / play too loud, as we have our own limiter etc.. delete as appropriate. If we were able to deliver what you want, when would your next available night be? [b]Manager[/b]: well we're now booking for April 2026.... [b]Wayne[/b]; Cool, we should be ready about then, can I give you some info, with our web page/ Farcebook / Lemonrock / Soundcloud... ? Hopefully that should work better than spouting and getting nowhere. Good luck -
[quote name='TheGreek' timestamp='1486126297' post='3229411'] My thoughts exactly...I don't understand why anybody buys a new Fender. [/quote] Huh!!! Who said that!
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Once you have soldered the link wire back in place, put those ends together, so the link wire is at the end of the electronics compartment. It doesn't really matter which one is nearest the neck. as long as it all sits in there nicely and the coils are magnetically attracting, rather than rather than repelling.
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Simon just came to my home and bought a keyboard synth from me. We'd met before at the Herts Bass Bash, but it was good to see him again. Many thanks Simon, it was a real pleasure. I hope the synth meets the need you have.
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Sold: Roland JX-305 Synth £200
Grangur replied to Grangur's topic in Accessories & Other Musically Related Items For Sale
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[quote name='Musashimonkey' timestamp='1486075714' post='3229139'] Do you ever venture into Kent at all... [/quote] I do, but not generally as far down as Folkestone. Do you travel up country at all?
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Recommended 5 String P replacement pickup
Grangur replied to Deedee's topic in Repairs and Technical
If you like the treble end of the range, have you considered going EADGC? -
Thomann selling Harley Benton basses as 'Decoration only'
Grangur replied to Annoying Twit's topic in Bass Guitars
[quote name='Myke' timestamp='1486063422' post='3228999'] Harley Benton FanFret 5er. First time I've seen one of these up. In stock as well.. Probably because it's £280 [url="https://www.thomann.de/gb/harley_benton_fanfret_5b_black_burl_deko.htm?sid=d1e9908e14ed274f95bd273fc14a63ce"]https://www.thomann....5bd273fc14a63ce[/url] Only about £50 off of full price. [/quote] They had one of these the other day. I'd probably go for one of these though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znp8bWQjGSg -
[quote name='wateroftyne' timestamp='1486056201' post='3228902'] Who's custodian of Duck's '59 these days? [/quote] Bopeuph is! That is THE bass - or so he says.
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That looks seriously good. That neck grain is amazing. If you're recording with it, it'd be great to hear some from it. Thanks for posting