Grangur

Can't say I've used a sanding table. This is the type of unit we used to use:

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1479558948' post='3177448'] The entire comment really. The attempt at an analogy using Russian dictionaries isn't relevant and simply doesn't work. Kids are not listening to music we grew up with - There's lots of new music around that's incredibly popular. May not be to your taste but it's readily available. Just turn on any radio station (or check YouTube or FaceBook music channels) listened to by school age kids and you'll hear some. Sure there's a lot of vocal biased music but that's always been the way. Young kids now are using modern instruments and these will include sampling, synths, drum and rhythm tracks etc. That's just progress, a bit like musicians using a 'Fender bass' in the 50's & 60's instead of an upright. Try going to a concert where acts are performing that are popular amongst younger people - the passion and feeling for their favourites is palpable and exciting to witness. You may not like the music but you can't question the passion at these events. A secondary school local to me has really put some effort into generating interest and participation in music. Their main music room is now really large and has at least 20 decent quality Yamaha & Casio keyboards, quite a few laptops with recording and sampling software, a drum kit and lots of percussion and a couple of guitars. The walls are plastered with all sorts of inspiring and educational stuff. The school now has a great reputation for musical performances and the music room is a popular place. They even let it out to people like our band to rehearse to keep it being used as regularly as possible as a music place. All of this is really inspiring and great to experience. Putting more money into schemes and progressive thinking schools like this can only help to inspire more young people to enjoy music more. [/quote] I can only speak about the area that I know and the kids I've met. So your experience is different. It doesn't make either of us totally wrong. The truth is neither of us has done a national survey.

When fitting a new nut it's comon to have to sand off the bottom to reduce the height. My guess is they didn't sand it off square. So if they don't keep the bottom and the edge against the FB a true right angle, the lean happens.

[quote name='Kev' timestamp='1479511610' post='3177239'] They are expensive, but they are incredibly well built now. Believe me, compare the basses that were built in the early 00's with the ones being built today and they are worlds apart. In my (rather extended) experience, the current Warwick builds are the best they have every built as a company. The build quality of my 2013 Streamer was notably better than the dozen or so eighties/early nineties Warwick basses I have been through. The difficulty is they used to be cheaper, which makes them seem so expensive now. Ultimately though, their workshop will be very similar to other high end bass builders. Take Dingwall for example, they are not dissimilar in cost, but you rarely see as much bleating about Dingwall prices. The so called 'masterbuilt' basses are built using top end machinery in a workshop that only produces 250 or so instruments a year. [/quote] I have to totally agree. I can't comment on the pre 2000 Warwick basses but i've got 5 from 2000 - 2007 and as someone who worked with woodwork professionally I'm really impressed with the build. The pockets of the bolt-on necks are the tightest I've come across on any bass, including bigger named manufacturers. To my ears Warwick instruments have a clarity to the sound that I've simply never got out of anything else, and I have tried. I almost got there with a Fender once, but it drifted off. I am fussy though as I only play bass solo. In the band mix it wouldn't matter as much.

[quote name='molan' timestamp='1479512643' post='3177245'] I couldn't disagree more. . . [/quote] With what? Are you saying that contemporary music has the young inspired, but they can't afford musical instruments? They can afford Xboxes and the games to feed them. But then we also now have food banks, or more to the point: We have sections of society being fed on charity.

[quote name='Norris' timestamp='1479490398' post='3176995'] Sage advice Grangur [/quote] Thanks. But this is a "Refin on a Budget". Glasspaper is a lot cheaper than paint, especially if you're simply going to sand that paint back off again. While I'm on the subject (again) of sanding, buy good glasspaper. Try to go for 3M or Scotch or some other specialist brand. "Own brand" stuff is generally useless. The good stuff will get a lot more work done than the cheap stuff. Also, rather than sanding, something that's also good for smoothing is a Stanley knife blade: Take the blade out of the knife and hold the blade, sharp edge flat to the work surface and use it as a scraper to scrape some of the surface off, It's amazing how smooth you can get the work. It's also great for scraping off old paint or varnish/lacquer. It's funny how we all talk about a "spray-shop". In actual fact, time-wise, there's more sanding and prep that goes on on a spray-shop than spraying.

[quote name='Joebethell' timestamp='1479487228' post='3176964'] . Hard to say really I would say it just seems to come on quicker with the Pbass so I put it down to the stretch but it could be the width or depth of the neck as others have suggested. Maybe I should try and control the elements a bit more and see what has a bigger reaction do the same riffs or scales in differing positions for a time period on my basses and record the outcomes in some way. [/quote] Try going to an Alexander Technique teacher. My bro-in-law is one. A good teacher will be able to look at you playing the bass and tell you what you're doing that's causing stresses in your actions. He/She may simply tell you to move your elbow further out/in/up/down etc. relax the thumb, or something. My bro-in-law is also a Pro Cellist, but he teached Alexander Technique to help folk with many different instruments and other problems, often sport related.

Do you find the problem is increased when you're fretting in the First position (up and the bottom end - around the 3rd fret) ? If so, and it's better fretting at the 9th fret, or near there, try a 5 string. the 3rd fret on the E is the same as the 8th on the B etc.

[quote name='Ghost_Bass' timestamp='1479482752' post='3176924'] Oh, and save the pictures of the transformation to use as proof of origin if you ever want to sell the bass but encounter a picky buyer! [/quote] Yes, I thought of that. It could be frustrating to be arguing over the authenticity, when you KNOW it is a Fender. Thanks for the comments. I'm working on it right now making the "Fender" better/smoother.

[quote name='Sammers' timestamp='1479480496' post='3176895'] I don't see the problem myself, we can't tailor an education for each individual child so giving them the opportunity to learn something like music is important. As ambient rightly said, some sort of arts is part of a balanced education. [/quote] Very right. But when I was growing up my I had access to learn and tried to learn recorder, violin and trumpet. (I failed miserably at them all.) But the chanced of me getting the money together to buy an instrument, other then the recorder, was zero. Today many kids have enough cash passing through their hands to buy a decent instrument AND and amp!! They don't have the drive though. You need to have drive and passion.

I think the Government is missing the point. Take as an example... Britain would like to do more trade in selling to Russia markets, so in the interests of promoting this I have a box of 250 Russian language dictionaries here. They're the best dictionary of it's kind available at only £3 each to you TODAY! PM me and one will be on it's way to you tonight!! Come on then, aren't you going to PM me? No, because you don't want to learn Russian. Why did you want to learn music? I guess it's cos you heard U2, Rolling Stones, Status Quo, or whoever, on stage, rocking with a passion. The beat hit you in the heart and you WANTED to ROCK!! It pumped your adrenalin. The problem today is a cultural one. The kids are still listening to music we grew up with. (For them that's like watching their Dad dancing - so they don't identify with it) Too much contemporary music is singers/vocalists singing to what sounds like a computerise backing track. The lyrics are often interesting quirky raps. But does it move their souls? My guess music today doesn't switch the passion on in the current generation. So, give them a cheap guitar.. or a Russian dictionary... it'll have the same effect. What you're seeing is the Government "doing something" because folk are telling them that they need to promote music education. Just the same as Trump is saying about getting Muslims in the USA to register. It won't achieve anything, but his supporters tell him the Government should "do something".

[quote name='FuNkShUi' timestamp='1479462048' post='3176678'] ...... And we were away to go...... Shake the primer for a minute, hold 200mm away, and spray evenly. Ok, i'll go with that. Here's the outcome of the first coat That was left to dry overnight. I plan on sanding it back and respraying a further 3 layers, before putting the metal flake layer on. Hopefully will do another layer today,tomorrow and Sunday. Enjoy your weekend [/quote] Nice project. This will be interesting to watch. I've sprayed a few bodies now and it does take a few projects to get good at it. My spray shop is just like yours, but I've also worked in a pro-finishing shop, spraying furniture. I don't worry about plugging the screw holes; they'll be ok. The paint isn't that thick. You say "a few more coats"; if you're hoping coats will fill and smooth the surface, then I'm going to disappoint. Adding coats won't do it. I'm a bit of a perfectionist. I don't know how you are with these things, but, as you can see here, the primer is great for showing the humps and bumps. Maybe it won't matter to you, but it would bug me. If you're wanting a smooth finish, spend a good amount of time on it. Slow down your expectations of playing it very soon. Spend a few evenings with the glass-paper and smooth it all out. When you think you have it smooth, close your eyes and feel for the nicks and bumps. If you're fussy about it then another evening or 2 with the glass paper will save a fortune in primer. When you think it's ready, put it down and come back to it, then come back later and pick it up and caress it, feel it all over. (Sorry if this sounds a bit porno, but there's no other way to do it) Be fussy. You're making a bass that's to be with you for some time, so spend time on it now. If it's a disappointment after the final coat, then you've lost money on the paint if all you want to do is sell it or strip it off. When you finally think it's ready, spray one coat of primer and take it down and take a good long look. Get a damp cloth and wipe it over and that will help show up any creases and wrinkles.. Then it's up to you if you go on, or go back. Remember, any dump that shows when the finish is in matt finish, will look 10x worse when the finish it gloss. Metal flake may hide a lot; I've not done that, but if it's meant to be smooth then you do need to work on it. Good luck.

[quote name='dood' timestamp='1479456437' post='3176622'] I've enjoyed the band's approach and I'm a sucker for melody stuff. I was reading that just the other day there had been issues in camp Summit; the bassist and other guitarist have been in a situation where they've been forced to leave the band? [/quote] Interesting... I'd never heard of them until this morning. I was taken by the prog feel. Looking at the web site you're probably right. The site only lists one guitar and the drummer. http://www.scalethesummit.com/ Shame that. But I see Mark Mitchell also teaches at http://www.lowenduniversity.com. The videos look very professional too. Much better than some others I've seen.

Here Mark Mitchell talks about his Custom shop bass http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDHjsZy8L0

Just found this and thought I'd share it. Interesting use of guitars too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2DGey4nm-c

[quote name='Basscabman' timestamp='1479339993' post='3175869'] Worth Upgrading or are they OK as standard? [/quote] What do you think of it? Whar made you ask?

Check out PC World or something like it, for a padded laptop bag.

[quote name='Twincam' timestamp='1479306475' post='3175488'] Depends on the player. I myself have a heavy hand but at the same time I'm incredible sensitive to setup. My fretting hand really aches and fatigues fast if a bass is not setup to my liking and even a tiny change in action for some songs or passages could be the difference between fatigue or not. Oddly string choice effects it less lighter gauge easier to press down but heavy gauge I can lower the action more without fret buzz so it equals out. And I genuinely can feel tiny differences not quite on the 0.1mm scale but I guess some might. After all 0.1mm can be the difference of fret buzz or not also. However for the op I do feel flat 10" and above boards are that slight bit easier to play and you can get that tiny bit of a better setup. Also finding strings that feel right. I guess its an accumulative effect of feeling comfortable. Some players have the extra ability too play anything and any setup. I envy them but I still believe in optimising these tiny differences for everyone. Even if they don't feel it lol. [/quote] Well, you live and learn. I've never really had a problem with changing radius, but then I don't play as fast and intensive as many others. If I did, maybe I too would suffer? Thanks

[quote name='Billy Apple' timestamp='1479376377' post='3175995'] Brutal? Have you ever even seen a Spector in the flesh? Whatever the argument, the NS body shape is far from brutal. Ergonomic, flowing and organic, maybe. Yes, the Warwick body shape is a refined version, but they had to 'refine' the top-horn in order to.. well, we all know why. [/quote] I think it's the wrong time of the .... whatever. Sorry!

[quote name='Norm' timestamp='1479401021' post='3176292'] No offence or malice was intended, please accept my apologies Grangur. Maybe I should keep my "humourous" comments to myself too? I did like the comment back from the OP that I was fugly too in his humble opinion, made me smile! All the best, Norm. [/quote] No offence taken to your comment. But TheGreek makes that comment about Spectors at every opportunity he gets - every single time he sees a thread about Warwicks. On a side-note; I saw in another thread he's after a black tuner for a Spector that he wants to enter as a raffle prize for a bass-bash. The funny thing is I've got one from a Warwick. It would do the job..... I'll be keeping it too

[quote name='Norm' timestamp='1479397307' post='3176239'] I put a smiley to show it was a joke! A flippant comment that was all. Bit touchy int ya? [/quote] Yes, probably. I'm going to quit here. I've got a few things I'll finish up with. Then I'll get back to keeping offline. Forums probably aren't for me.

[quote name='lojo' timestamp='1479229207' post='3174918'] ..... Cant find any reference to why he requested it reversed. [/quote] As a funk player would he. maybe want more "twang" when slapping the E-A and calm the twang on the popping on the D-G ? For your further entertainment: http://youtu.be/puY2_cRLMbQ