Bilbo

I don't have to worry about such things as I play fretless And, yes, it has happened to me.

[quote name='silddx' post='1277559' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:34 PM']I used to jump in on these threads with the first thing that came into my head! Idiot. [/quote] And what's wrong with spontaneity?

[quote name='gjones' post='1277518' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:15 PM']Oh that was you was it? Thanks for that. Sorry about your shoes.[/quote]

Who mentioned Jazz?

[quote name='risingson' post='1277418' date='Jun 21 2011, 06:00 PM']The intimacy and appeal of an acoustic guitar and a voice like James Taylor's isn't comparable to a Victor Wooten video, or any bass solo video. They are two totally different kettles of fish![/quote] I couldn't give a rat's ar*e; the point is that the audience for both is similar so neither can be called self indulgent. Unless 2m watched the JT video and one person watched the wooten video 2m times? It could happen!

[quote name='kevin_lindsay' post='1277353' date='Jun 21 2011, 05:13 PM']For The Love Of Money by the O'Jays. Bassline was originally played by a young Anthony Jackson[/quote] I could remind everyone that the tune was co-written by AJ and Gamble and Huff, but that would be self indulgent. It was used on the Trump version of The Apprentive in the US

[quote name='Mykesbass' post='1277384' date='Jun 21 2011, 05:34 PM']Almost fully support your stand Bilbo, but is there not a point (guitarists attempting to out-shred one another, bass players indulging in slap-fests, classical composers pushing boundaries for the sake of it and jazzers taking improvisation further off piste) where it becomes competitive, and having become competitive they are then doing it for their own personal achievement, not for the benefit of the listening public, thereby becoming self indulgent?[/quote] No. It is what it is. Look at the Youtube views counts on the slapfests. VERY FAST SLAP!!! VICTOR WOOTEN LIVE viewed 2,028,075 x James Taylor - "Fire & Rain", uploaded onto Youtube about the same time, 1,870,227 views One would be called 'self indulgent', the other not. It doesn't matter whether you like one ot the other. The audience is there for each. It is not, therefore, self-indulgence but entertainment. Yes and Genesis were stadium fillers at the height of their game, just like Take That and Justin Bieber. What's self indulgence got to do with it?

OK, I've got the a*** I keep hearing the term 'self indulgence' used whenever there is any suggestion that a musician is moving away from the groove and into the area of soloing or collective improvisation. I have heard this term since the heady days of punk when the bands I liked (Yes, Genesis etc) were dismissed by the monkey-booted, donkey-jacket wearing Philistines that surrounded me as irrelevant because of their 'self indulgence'. Well, I am sorry, but I and many of my colleagues LIKE this stuff so, by definition, we represent an audience which means that, by definition, there is an entertainment element to this stuff. More to the point, I can't think of anything more self indulgent that singers telling me they are hurting because their girlfriend left them or how they are gonna rrrrrrrock - its a bit like those drunks you get at parties that bore you senseless with their adolescent meandering and who you only walk home with because you fear that they may collapse in the gutter and choke to death on their own vomit. An improvising player who is constantly searching within his playing or composition for new ideas and new sounds is, for me, something to be admired, feted and celebrated. I can't see that a soloist in any contemporary setting is any more self indulgent that Paganini or Yo Yo Ma, excellent musicians who are masters of their instruments. A musician who can take you somewhere emotionally without having to tell you in monosyllabic terms where they are going is a lot more interesting than the 'painting by numbers' drivel of most pop and rock music. Watching 20 somethings playing the only three chords they know whilst they strike a pose identical to the one struck by the last 20 year old and the one before that whilst having a crowd of thousands 'saluting' them with fists in the air, waving cigarette lighters or swaying Arsenal scarves? Now THAT is self indulgent!

[quote name='BigAlonBass' post='1277225' date='Jun 21 2011, 03:55 PM']Oooooh! I don't 'know of' a certain person's technique, therefore I'm not as 'seriously musical' as most. Back to the 'Divide' then. [/quote] Just listen to 'im. Will ya? Promise me? [url="http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=139892&hl=AJ"]http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=139892&hl=AJ[/url]

[quote name='BigAlonBass' post='1277181' date='Jun 21 2011, 03:30 PM']1) He's [i]staring[/i] at the neck. This, to me, equates to self-indulgence, and to heck with the audience. 2) He's playing a single-cut Bass. Nobody has [i]ever[/i] played any music that appeals to me, whilst wielding an SC. 3) He's hitching a lift. As soon as I see the 'slapper's thumb' come out - I'm long gone.[/quote] 1) There's a lot of it..... I bet he plays to bigger audiences than most on here . And I bet more people go to see [i]him[/i] play than most. 2) Your bad. 3) Jackson never slaps. He uses his thumb as a quasi-pick to pluck lines whilst partly deadening the strings with his left hand. A seriously musical approach that many here will know of.

I guess there is some relationship between the set lists people have and the complexity of arrangements. ELO/Queen stuff you see tends to be the more 'basic' tunes (Crazy Little Thing Called Love, Don't Stop Me Now) rather than the heavier arranged stuff. A lot of the better stuff by these kinds of bands couldn't be done justice by an average 4-piece

I am a 'one bass' man, pretty much, but there are certainly some SCs out there that woudl turn my head if I had a spare few grand. Some Fodera's, some Sei's; not all of them. I think the AJ Presentation Fodera is a design highlight but there are some SCs that are plug ugly (the Beez Elite that someone here raved about looks awful to me) and some of the Shuker cutaways don't work for me either. But this is simple aesthetics. I also don't like most double cutaway shapes, most colours (the concept of the 'sunburst' is, for me, the design trainwreck of the century), most headstocks etc etc etc. SCs are, as has been said, an alternative choice. Noone I know could 'hear' a SC in a mix. Its just a look that some like and which others don't. Personally, I don't think I have ever played one but I would love to try out the AJ, even if I have no chance of ever owning one. I almost hope I don't like it so I won't have terminal GAS!!

Desafinado Tarde Em Tapoa Final Feliz Se Chiclete Com Banana Mas Que Nada Fotographia Incompatibilidade De Genios Jade Drao A Novidade Eu Tiro Onda Clandestino Flor De Lis Fato Consumado Xote De Alegria 100 Anos A Luz De Tieta Luiza Espanahola Nem Un Dia Palco Soy Loco Por Ti America Vamos Fugir ….all the hits really (Excuse spelling; this was all off the top of my cabeca)

[quote name='gazzer86' post='1276612' date='Jun 21 2011, 07:18 AM']I take it this is normal!!!?[/quote] Pretty (twitch) much :blink...

[quote name='cris the man' post='1276054' date='Jun 20 2011, 04:51 PM']im really hooked on the avante garde radio station on my jazz radio app on my HTC ( really great free app, look into it ) playing in a big band, one of the trumpet players showed me ambros akinmusire great trumpet player, such a dark tone[/quote] We like that a lot! Who's on sax?

[quote name='yorks5stringer' post='1276031' date='Jun 20 2011, 04:25 PM']Here's our set list, lots of songs chosen for their relevance... Tin Tin Deo Bewitched Someday My Prince will Come Here’s that Rainy Day My One and Only Love I’ve got you under my Skin Fly Me to the Moon Gentle Rain Girl from Ipanema Summertime (based on Four on Six) Love For Sale Blue Bossa Let There Be Love Days of Wine and Roses Yesterdays Autumn Leaves My Funny Valentine Blue Monk Isn’t She Lovely? Roxanne All Blues Song for my Father April in Paris Almost like being in Love Autumn in New York[/quote] That amounts to just about every set at every wedding played by a jazz trio this side of 1970 I've gotta get me a better gig Glad to hear you enjoyed it, though.

I saw Lage with Gary Burton at the London Jazz Festival. I initially thought 'a young Pat Metheny' but he opened up later on and, yeah, he was cool, if a bit 'old school'.

[quote name='ras52' post='1275769' date='Jun 20 2011, 12:06 PM']I think he said something about learning to read tab... [/quote]

[quote name='mcgraham' post='1275743' date='Jun 20 2011, 11:46 AM']Sorry Bilbo, I didn't quite catch that... could you say again for the avoidance of doubt?[/quote] [font="Century Gothic"] [size=7]LEARN TO READ MUSIC!![/size] [/font]

A couple of lessons? You're probably already better than most of us

It is always difficult to offer a learning plan if you don't know the player. Mine would be different to yours because our learning goals would probably be very different. If you really want a steer, I would recommend a teacher. If you tell us where you are, we can probably recommend someone off here. In the meantime, learn to read music

I have all of the above (the Rimsky Korsakov is on my desk in work, taunting me ) but I also like these: [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jazz-Composition-Orchestration-William-Russo/dp/0226732150/ref=sr_1_22?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308562163&sr=1-22"]Jazz Composition & Orchestration - William Russo[/url] [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Composing-Jazz-Orchestra-Russo/dp/0226732096/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308562076&sr=1-4"]Composing Jazz Orchestra - Willaim Russo[/url] (this is a 'pocket sized version of the above - a lot less detail but still useful) [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Guide-MIDI-Orchestration-4e/dp/0240814134/ref=sr_1_12?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308562306&sr=1-12"]The Guide to MIDI Orchestration = Paul Gilreath[/url] [url="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Arranging-Large-Jazz-Ensemble-Book/dp/0634036564/ref=sr_1_18?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308562717&sr=1-18"]Arranging for Large Jazz Ensembles - Ken Pullig et al[/url] What I can't offer a solution for is the difficulties in finding the time to be able to absorb all of this stuff!!

In the late 1980s, there was a London based jazz big band called Loose Tubes that recorded three lps of fresh and exciting big band material. The band feaatured the playing and arranging of a lot of future jazz stars: Iain Ballamy, Django Bates, Steve Berry, John Paricelli, Tim Whitehaed, Steve and Julian Arguilees, Tim Whitehead, Ashley Slater (Freakpower) etc etc. One of the writer/arrangers was a trumpet player called Dave Defries. One of his tunes was a piece called 'Hermeto's Giant Breakfast'. The tune is a major tour de force but, from 6.46 onwards, it is particularly stunning. They were a great band live and there are videos out there but there is nothing that has found its way onto Youtube or Spotify by the band so I thought I would post this for people to hear. If anyone knows Dave or anyone else from Loose Tubes who objects, get in touch and I will pull the post but, as there is no way of getting this tune commercially that I am aware of, I thought that, in the interests of the art form and thge reputation of the composer/arranger, I would share this with you. So sit back and get an earful of Loose Tubes' performance of Dave Defries' 'Hermeto's Giant Breakfast'. You'll thank me for it.