Bilbo

I can wiggle my ears and play the bass with my Dad's teeth. He says they don't taste too good when he put's them back in tho'.

Suzi Quatro...

I guess the answer is ' as far as is economical'. If someone will pay me to play in Australia and will fully fund the trip, I'll do it. If it costs more to travel there than I get paid, it would have to be a REALLY special gig (I have done good gigs for nothing if the music works but I wouldn't do a commercial gig that left me out of pocket). I did a jazz ferstival in Vienne (nr Lyon) once - all expenses paid but no profit margin. Great experience.

It's a variation on a simple C sharp pentatonic starting on the F but missing out the A sharp until the second octave. Or a minor sixth arpeggio with an added 11th? It would read better as flats not sharps (i.e. D flat not C sharp) but I guess typing flats is harder!

Excellent thread, Steve. A perfect foil for YouTube excesses. First thoughts.... Messiaen's 'Quartet for the End of Time' - written by Olivier Messiaen when he was a German prisoner of war in Silesia - the only instrumentalists available were a violinist, cellist and clarinet player. Messiaen wrote a piano part although, at the time of composing, he did not have access to a piano. One did turn up later but it was out of tune and many of the notes stuck. Furthermore, the cello had one string missing! The first performance was given in freezing cold weather at Stalag VIII on 15th January, 1941, to an audience of 5,000 prisoners. Messiaen later said 'Never have I been heard with as much attention and understanding'. Eva Cassidy's version of 'Over The Rainbow' - like many people, I had never heard of her when I saw/heard it first as a video on Top Of The Pops 2. She was already dead by then. Despite my being a card carrying jazz nazi, it was a jaw dropping moment. A particularly profound performance of a well known piece of music. Anything by the bass-less Paul Motion trio Steve mentioned. Saw them live years ago. They really DO sound like that! Drummer Bill Bruford and pianist Patrick Moraz 'Music For Piano and Drums' - the best of both of them. Pat Methenys 'A Map Of The World' - solo guitar & strings - beautiful. The whole soundtrack for the film (a little bit of bass but never more than functional) was written and recorded in a fortnight. Ceiri Torjussen's Flute Octet (you can find it on www.ceiri.com) - Ceiri is an old friend who is now working in Hollywood writing film orchestrations. I like where this thread has taken me. Nice one, Steve.

Been using the Metro for 5 years or more. It's the bollocks. I have a great and consistent sound and many people have commented on it. Yes, it i heavy but I can cope (I am 6' 1" and 15 stone so I guess it'a all relative!!). The eq is so versatile and I use the combo for jazz, latin, rock and funk gigs aswell a shows and an occasional big band. It does everything I ask it to do and coasts through it. I have never neeeded to put it anywhere near its loudest and, frankly, would fear for my chest cavity if I did. Recomended 100%

Been here, done that (projectile) but I had to clean it up myself. Spent the rest of the gig sleeping in the car. Still got paid tho'. VERY long night!

Gary Willis's right hand technique is a whole other science. His video (Progressive Bassics) is a revelation although his technique is SOOOO specific, it is not easily embraced by people who are established two finger players. Alternate fingering is a simplistic idea as the change/skipping of strings requires you to lead with a different finger depending on the line you are playing. It is a case of experimenting with whatever resutls in a clear and confidently played note with a good tone (not much is written about the relationship between finger technique and tone on electric bass - on double bass it is known to all but define your sound but, on electric, it is less well reported how deep its contribution is to your fundamental tone. (Actually, much as I respect and admire Willis, I don't like his tone - too 'processed')

TM Stevens line on Joe Cocker's version of 'Unchain My Heart' - superficially as easy as it gets but funky as a mofo....

[quote name='cheddatom' post='92152' date='Nov 21 2007, 02:22 PM']They thought something was suspicious, which it was really, from their point of view. We had 8 guitars nicked, reported it to the company, got 7 of them back a day later and reported that. I can see how it might seem a bit weird, so they had to investigate etc. The thing that really gets me angry is the fact that they took the details of my AND my housemate's stuff that got nicked, and didn't tell us until a month ago that they can only pay out for my stuff! This cuts my claim in half 'cos I have to give half to my housemate 'cos he paid for half the policy, that [b]they told us[/b], covered us both! I wish I had read the damn thing properly :-( Lloyds home insurance if anyone wants to know who to avoid/petrol bomb for me.[/quote] That sounds like they mis-sold you the policy, mate. Worth reporting them to the relevant financial authority - this happens far too often.

Sorry mate. Not a lot I can say to that really. I'll still 'risk' it with my gig bag, tho'. There will always be nasty stories but, as is always the case when you walk out of the front door, it is reasonable to look at probabilities and, my experience tells me, that the 'risk' of damaging my bass by not using a hard case is minimal.

Tart!

I think this is a macho thing. Hard cases for hard blokes who eat hard food like hot curries and watch hard films with Steven Segal in and grow hard plants like cactii and drive hard cars like 4wds and have hard 9 string basses and play hard music like metal and wear hard leather and ride hard bikes like Harleys and do hard sports like snowboarding and tombstoning and stuff and beat you up for looking at them and drink hard drinks like Stella and cider and wear black. Thing.

Now you are into metal so you [i]have[/i] matured!!! Only kidding - I was in a metal band for 3 years (part of the NWOBHM in the early 1980s) GRRRR!!

'I have been gigging without hard cases for over 20 years and not so much as a scratch - I guess taking care of your instrument is as much a state of mind as it is a single purchase.' Driving so fast that you roll your car is not what I would call taking care of [i]yourself[/i] never mind your instrument!! Hard cases are overrated! I have one for each bass and guitar I have. I use them for guitars (acoustic and semi-acoustic) because they ARE fragile but the bass is not going to get damaged unless I accidently leave it under the wheels of my car. As I always check the contents of the vehicle before I drive off, this is unlikely....

Have clocked those Overwater bags on the net. Expensive but they look like exactly what I am looking for. And only 35 miles away in Witham!! Ref: hard cases - too heavy, too cumbersome and not very practical. I have been gigging without hard cases for over 20 years and not so much as a scratch - I guess taking care of your instrument is as much a state of mind as it is a single purchase.

A word of caution. You are in the position you are in because you have cut corners - no shame in that. We all did. If you want to start taking your playing to the next level, you really need to take things slowly and systematically. You will need to learn major, minor, melodic minor, diminished and augmented scales in all keys (that's 60 scales). You will then need to learn them all in their relative modes (thats 7x60 scales = 420 scales). You should then play them in thirds, fourths, fifths, sixths, sevenths and octaves - that's 420 x 6 = 2,520. Then learn chord theory - triads, four note chords extensions etc. Then you can start to play.... Ha, ha - that freaked you out, didn't it!! The truth is, they all interelate and each piece of information you learn will make another piece more understandable. You can make astonishingly beautiful music with only a small percentage of this (most music forms don't use melodic minor, diminished or augmented scales at all, for instance). The secret is simply to take your time and learn things properly before you move on. There are hundreds of books out there but a teacher may help you get an handle on stuff if you straggle with the details. My advice is simply take your time and do it properly - you will be a student for life. Don't waste a moment.

You probably already know whay it all SOUNDS like, David, just don't know the jargon. It all sounds so clever but its really only about what you hear and not what you say/write. It's just an organic process: you listen, process (using your knowledge etc) decide your options and act - all in real time. It's exactly what you do when you have a conversation, the language (i.e. music not speech) is just different. What all the practicing does is to speed up the process so you can do it in real time and not have to think for so long that you miss the moment. I guess the comparison would be with having a conversation about a subject you understand. You don't need to think about the subject, you just respond. Jazz is the same, if you understand all the scales, chords, concepts, you just react in real time. The deeper your understanding of the subject (jazz), the better your responses. Its the best feeling in the world when you get it right.

I agree that, with a jazz walking line, you need to keep a picture of the overall contour of the line but there are a huge number of additional factors to consider in terms of your overall contribution to the ensemble performance. You lines need to react to, support and stimulate lines being performed by the soloist and the other ensemble members. If his or her line goes up, you could go up with it, or go down. You could also pedal on the root, reharmonise with a third, a fifth, a sixth or even ninth. You could play straight time, a rhythmically independent ostinato that greats tension and holds it until a release or even stop altogether. You could move out of a walk and into a funk or latin groove, you could evolve your lines into a Bach like counterpoint or a totally idependent melodic idea. The limitations are huge but so is the potential. No such thing as a wrong note, just a poor choice. It's all about intent. If you are bluffing, you will be spotted a mile off.

I lived in Farnham for 7 years ('94 - 2001). Used to gig all round Surrey and Hants. Mostly jazz so I doubt our paths have crossed. Welcome to Basschat.

Gamlin's is such a great shop (I bought a GK112MB combo there (the one that was nicked) and an Admaus six string there is the past - tried my first 5-string Wal there as well - didn't have the money then!). Happy days! I recall a friend bought a Peavy Palladium there as well, nice starter bass. Jon Caulfield, the Cardiff bass teacher, used to work there too. Gear heaven!

[quote name='mybass' post='82457' date='Nov 1 2007, 07:08 PM']Yes, he is a great player. I took lessons off him many years ago and he was terrific. He used to play a six string Fender too, the almost guitar sized bass that is, with Barbara Thompson's "Paraphenalia" many moons ago and I think he was once in "Soft machine".[/quote] Correct- he was (is?) also with the BBC big band. He did a dep for me once, years ago, when I had a gig with Jim Mullen. He was a real gentleman (just don't mention Robert Palmer to him).

I have a slight downer on insurance for reasons I will explain. If you add all the insurance you pay (house contents, buildings, car, pets, musical instruments, extended cover on goods purchased, utilities repairs etc), it can come in at hundreds of pounds a month (mine is well over 20% of my nett income ). If you put that away every month over the lifetime of insuring instead of giving it to insurance companies, you would almost inevitably come in £1,000s in the black. Now, I know of several musicians who have sought to claim on their insurance and have been frustrated by dubious 'rules' - one was refused a claim because, despite having left her stuff at home behind locked doors, she was 'not insured' (despite the company taking her money) because she didn't have the right locks fitted to her doors. They didn't tell her this when she took out the insurance. I know several musical instrument insurers that cover everything except the gear being stolen when it is unattended - i.e at the only time it will be stolen. In a nutshell, if we didn't pay insurance but saved the money instead - loads more gear!! I know this argument doesn't hold up to close inspection but I think the insurance industry makes a LOT of money on the basis of what might but rarely ever happens. I lost an SWR cab and a GK MB112 combo from a car once (someone was in it - I'm not that stupid) and was gutted but, if I had paid instrument insurance for the 28 years I have been playing, I would have bought that gear at least 5 times over. I still have no insurance on my gear - (over and above MU insurance) - its just not a good use of money. I am just VERY careful about how I move it around.

You can't develop convincing walking lines in jazz for any length of time unless you [i]really[/i] know theory. You can't bluff it... I guess you can get away with a superficial knowledge in many genres but building a walking bassline that is properly integrated is a life's work. Every time you play a tune you are starting with a clean slate and need to find increasingly creative ways of propelling the groove using quarter notes and variations thereof. I've been playing walking bass lines all night for 24 yearsand I nail it about three times a year! It really seperates the grown ups from the little people!

I need to replace the bag I carry my bass in and am looking for a top notch gig bag to carry a Wal 4 string. I want something that is good quality, sturdy, protects the bass, has shoulder straps and a handle that aren't gonna snap in the first three weeks of use (like the last two I have had). I have seen some on the net but would prefer some recommendations because they are all sOOOO perfect..... Anyone got the gig bag to die for?