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Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
Andyjr1515 replied to Andyjr1515's topic in Build Diaries
Normal stuff - happy to show what I do and why...but don't assume this is the way it should be done Binding. The problem I have with wood binding is that - even when it is bent to shape (which mine always is) it is very stiff and it is very springy. So the traditional way is glue it - tape it tightly - wrap the whole body very, very tightly with a fabric strip or bicycle inner tube like an Egyptian mummy. Then leave it overnight for the glue to fully dry And usually - in my experience - when you unwrap it the next day there are gaps. And you burst into a rage and jump on the almost complete body until it is a pile of matchsticks and start everything all over again. And, folks, life is just too short for that. So what I have done the last three or four builds is iron on the bindings - in the same way that I iron on veneer. Basically, - I use Evostick 'Resin 'W' PVA wood glue: - I put an even coat on both the binding AND the binding channel - I let it dry. (30 mins or so) - I then get a hot dry iron (I use an old heatshrink iron but any iron will do) and iron it on. (I forgot to take a photo while I was doing it but hopefully you get the idea): - the heat melts both layers of PVA which merges and when it cools holds the components tight. It's repeatable so if there's a gap, I just heat it up again, hold the joint tight with my gloved hand for a few seconds and it is done And here it is...done, ready for final sanding: No tantrums. No firewood. Not the way the books say to do it - but it works for me! -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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No problem. There are some excellent bass and electric solid body kits on the market - and some at unbelievable value for money (have a look at the Gear4Music ones!) And onwards...to the next scary bit, the end graft rout. This required again the body to be suspended over the concrete floor clamped by the modified workmate - this time to be routed with my Dremel: From the offcut of the fretboard, I have been able to slice a thin strip that will contrast with the back woods, but key in with the fretboard. It's generally best to avoid too many different species so we have: Red Gum Walnut: Back, Sides, Rosette, Headstock plate Spruce: Top Macassar or lookalike (ie, the bindings): Fretboard, bindings; end graft Should all coordinate nicely. I'll decide whether the heel plate would be better in macassar or Red Gum Walnut when the rest is sorted Anyway - the above slot had to be cut at this stage, but the end graft can't actually be fitted yet. But eventually it will link into the binding feature lines with its own lines something like at the top left corner here: -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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There are some great kits about and it's a great, great way of starting to understand the geometry and what matters and what doesn't matter for both solids and acoustics. And I mean, if you're talking acoustic...Martin do some superb kits... -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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For the herringbone purfling, the gaffa tape it is, @MacDaddy Or at least the masking tape. And not an iron in sight - yet! Before I glue the binding, I first have to rout the slot for the end graft - and before I do that I need to decide what I'm going to do for the end graft - and I have to make sure that the corners of the binding slot are absolutely square and that the sides of the binding slot are absolutely flush with the herringbone. I do that with a tiny square wood block with some emery cloth stuck to it, a very sharp chisel and check all is OK all the way round with an offcut of the binding: Next job is sorting the end-graft and then I can get the iron out and glue the binding Oh...and as @Si600 is bound to ask what an end graft is...it's this bit at the back! -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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OK - I've come across what I think is a 'new kid on the block' in terms of guitar hardware, parts and tools. And I'll be very irritated if you all know about them and haven't told me! Glued To Music - gluedtomusic.com I had ordered the Schaller M6 mini tuners (I needed 3 sets), all shown in stock at Gear4music (usually a reliable supplier). After a few days got message that they were delayed. Waited another week. On further checking, the estimated delivery was late September!! Gluedtomusic - in stock, received in 2 days I wanted the improved version of Stewmac's dremel binding jig. Tried Tonetech Luthier Supplies. Out of stock - no estimate of when back in. Gluedtomusic - in stock. Received in 2 days So a positive call out to Gluedtomusic.com - thanks, folks And so - what is this modified binding channel cutting jig? Well, the Stewmac one unmodified is pretty much unusable. There is no way at all you can keep the top-heavy Dremel vertical. And if Dremel isn't vertical, the binding channel is too deep or too shallow. So Andyjr1515 a few years ago made a simple mod. He glued a stick onto it. It's here on the left: Now obviously the CEO some enterprising concern saw this, saw that it was Andyjr1515 who had modded it and made a phone call to the Chairman. "What...THE Andyjr1515?? Do it! Get it into production!! Quick!!!" OK...maybe they found the same issue and just did a better job of it So the modded version is the one on the right. And WHAT a difference. Because cutting the binding channels on the top of a acoustic build is, without any doubt, THE most scary bit of any of the aspects of any of the builds I do, and THE most likely for it to go irreparably wrong. And even with this modded jig, it was still scary. But, other than a bit of tidying up with a very sharp chisel, it's done: And why the two cuts? Because on the inside I'm going to put some herringbone purfling, bent to shape over the bending iron: And outside that, the Rocklite Sundari binding, complete with feature line: Couple of things needed to be done before these are glued but they are ready to be attached. Oh yes...and I'm going to iron them on -
First time making a bass, Singlecut NT 5 string
Andyjr1515 replied to spacecowboy's topic in Build Diaries
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Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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Like @Jabba_the_gut says on his recent build, a question is always what to do about fret-ends. I usually do what Jez has done - de-tang the frets, fill the tang slot and then round off the fret ends. So what does 'de-tang' mean? It means nipping or filing off the tang (the strip on the fretwire that hammers into the slot) at either end of the fret. You can see that here: And why would you want to do that? Well, over time, the fretboard can sometimes dry and shrink a tiny bit and the fret ends start feeling a bit sharp. But this is easy to fix with a small needle file and is a routine annual 'set-up' job for many guitars and basses. The advantage of nipping the ends of the tangs, as Jez has done, is that you don't get the tang corner itself ever exposed - because that is more tricky to fix...you basically have to sand them smooth but that can impact on the neck finish. You can put binding on the sides of the fretboard and that covers the fret slots and the tangs and the fret ends but sometimes changes the overall width. I am also always troubled on a neck by creating a demarcation line with veneer. Great fretboard wood; great neck wood; and then a strip (or strips) of veneer glued in between. Should be OK but always better if you don't have to do that. So on a few of my recent builds, I have experimented with a win-win-win method of binding. It's worked well and so I'll be using it on this. Basically I: detang the fret ends; fit the frets with the ends overhanging; round and finish the fret ends; add a binding with a feature strip; round off and and slim the binding. This is what I mean: So the frets are overhanging - to an exact measurement (easy to do - you just sand the whole fretted board edge on to get to sub-tenths accuracy); the fret ends are rounded; the binding is sanded to exact height and glued on; the binding is rounded off and slimmed a touch so it is around a mere 0.25mm proud of the fret. So the win-win-win is that you get a demarcation line for free, you get a lovely rounded edge to your fretboard and you don't get sharp fret ends even if the board dries over the years. Anyway, that's the theory, and it does seem to work I have one more thing I have to check/do before any of that but, in preparation, I have a binding that couldn't have matched the macassar better if I'd tried!: And the same binding will go on the body edges (it's the Rocklite Sundari product) The final thing that P and I have sorted is the headstock. Here the intention is, if at all possible, to keep the string runs straight and to get the whole thing to fit into a standard OM/OOO size guitar case. Happily, while I was drawing it all up, the tuners (Schaller M6 mini) arrived and so I could see if it was going to work. I think it will. And have room for a couple of swifts There's a few things to do and to check before I do any of this...but, anyway, that's the plan -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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Over the internet, between us P & I spent a bit of time double and triple checking the intended neck depth and width. P already has a much loved Guitar Bouzouki and ideally wants this one's neck to be just a few mm wider and just a few mm shallower. That has meant that I can taper the neck blank widthways and depthwise. Within a mm or so, this is how the proportions are going to look. To my eye, quite pleasing: And getting the depth in the right order of magnitude meant that I could rough-carve the heel - I will creep up on the final shape once the neck has been profiled. I find the least damage I can do while removing the greatest quantity of timber is using microplanes. I hold them scraper-wise in gloved hands rather than using a handle: Then move onto a gooseneck cabinet scraper: As I say, the heel shape will be worked on over a period of time, but it gives me a head start: You can see here (although this clearly isn't carved and is a mm or so oversize) that the neck on a Bouzouki is quite a bit deeper than a guitar or bass. In terms of the profile, I always try to make sure - even though every instrument has its own feel - that a build has at least a comfortable feel of familiarity to the owner. So I send a profile gauge for them to take a few profiles off their favourite players and try, as best I can, to replicate that: The gauge is on its way to P as I type -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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It's all learned from places like here... -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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And to one of the mildly terrifying bits. Is that really the body, clamped in the modified jaws of a workmate, suspended over a towel over a concrete floor and a router pushing down on it????? Yes it is And I'm smiling mainly because it didn't fall out. Or crush. Or bruise. But there are few other ways you can accurately cut the mortice... And I've got to do it again soon, the other way up. Because there are few other ways you can accurately cut the tailstock plate slot... The workmate is a home-made version of a jig that is featured on the excellent ObrienGuitars 'Luthier Tips du Jour Mailbag' series for cutting mortices, and neck angles and tenons. The template is a G&W one. The result: But, Andy. I thought you hated routers? I do. But there are times when it's pretty much the only way to do a task. And did it go faultlessly? Of course not. The mortice is longer than I intended because the template slipped as I was routing. It doesn't matter, but it confirms I hate f*****g routers!! The same rig is used to cut the neck angle and the tenon. For this, the neck is clamped to a board, located by a couple of pegs that fit in the trussrod slot, and hinged so I can rout different angles onto the heel: And what angle? Well - a straight edge on top of the fretboard should ideally just sit on top of the bridge - and then the action height is set by the saddle that will sit proud of the bridge. And that's why I had to make the bridge first. My straight edge is the offcut from the fretboard: And the gap at the top of the heel in the photo below shows the angle the neck has to sit at for the straight edge to lie in the right place: So I tilt the hinged plate to that angle and route that into the heel end. And this time when I check, there's no gap at the top of the heel: It will be actually finished by hand once the bridge is fitted, but this will get me at least into the right ball-park So - ignoring the fretboard taper that hasn't been done yet, and the neck thickness that hasn't been done yet - it continues to progress:- 243 replies
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Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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I guess so (I have no idea ) Actually, just a guess, but I suspect it doesn't make a whole lot of difference provided the bridge area doesn't exceed the bridge plate area underneath. The bridge is clamped pretty firmly to this plate when it is glued and therefore I am guessing that the flex wouldn't change unless and until the bridge went beyond it. This one is well within it because it is narrower. Feel free to add to or challenge this presumption, folks. -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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Thanks Just put a better photo of it on the post. The previous shot wasn't good - it's gone awfully dark here. Lets hope that's just the thunder cloud and not pandemic oblivion creeping up... -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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I need the actual bridge to work out the neck angle - and so it was time to make the bridge. I got hold of a bog-standard 12 string guitar bridge as much to check the peg stagger as anything. The bouzouki bridge will end up around 10mm narrower. I then did a number of sketches of bridge shapes on photos of the top to see if anything jumped out relating to the overall shape. Of all of them, this was the most pleasing - just adding more of a curve at the back to give a passing nod to the rosette shape: And after some stuff with band saws, chisels, microplanes, cabinet scrapers and sandpaper, this is it in the ebony. Bit of tidying up to do when the light's better but I think this will look quite nice: -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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Ah, @SpondonBassed - that'll be the Greek Bouzouki. This one's an Irish Bouzouki. Clever idea, though -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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I'm getting better at flattening two surfaces to glue together - and better at matching grain. The 1" heel extension is on: The bit that made me smile was that the grain in the walnut splice actually matches the maple! What's the chances of that This heel extension gets the neck to the correct height. The slightly more scary bit is getting it to the right angle - but there's quite a few things I have to do before I can work out the angle and start cutting mortices and tenons. Nevertheless, that's a few more of the basic components starting to come together: The great big lump of brown-tinged ebony is what I'm going to try to carve a bridge from - when I can work out how to do that Thanks for looking folks. I know it's not a bass - but it is fun, isn't it -
First time making a bass, Singlecut NT 5 string
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Excellent! Watching with great interest. Very ambitious but you clearly know what you are doing. Great choices of timbers -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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No, not necessary. As I say, the bouzouki neck is tangibly deeper than a guitar (or bass) neck and, as such, headstock breaks really aren't a risk. Also, apart from the helpful grain direction of the maple, the walnut centre splice has a grain direction pretty much parallel with the headstock and so gives much more strength than needed for all normal and even rough handling. -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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Well, having a hard maple neck will make this sing when it's finished. But in the meantime it's pushing my bandsaw to the limit! It's a thick blank and there are a lot of full depth, full length cuts! First was getting the blank all squared up, the trussrod slot in, the mortice positioned and rough-cut and the headstock angled: And then the side profile cut. Because the neck is going to be quite a bit deeper than a guitar, there isn't a functional need for a volute, but I've left the provision for one if P wants one or if the aesthetics say there should be one: From the offcuts, I will be cutting a grain-matched heel extension which will itself eventually have an end cap of wood taken from the back and sides offcut. There might even be a swift on that eventually. -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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And to the fret slotting. Another good buy from G&W that has done a decent number of fretboards over the last few years: The red on the bench isn't blood - it's some red stain from Rog's recent veneer job The unit is screwed down to the bench and the top dog clamps on my bench are a bit of a godsend to stop movement during the fairly tough and vigorous sawing. Note also the packing pieces, again to stop the fretboard/template assembly from moving at all. And don't fret (yes, I know ) about the 25.000" etch - it's a two way template. The side I'm using is 25.500" And this is where the fretboard will join the body - at the 16th fret: The next task is working out what the next task is -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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Fretboard next. A lovely piece of macassar ebony from David Dyke: I tend to agonise over buying commercial tools and jigs - because they are specialist they tend to be eye-wateringly expensive. But, having used a home-made one for a couple of years, I have no regrets whatsoever buying the G&W radius jig last year. Sanding ebony by hand is a quick way - no, correction, a very slow way - to insanity! There doesn't seem to be a common consensus for fretboard radius on a Guitar Bouzouki but, looking at photos and reading some of the blurb of some of the 'better' builders, 12" seems to be a reasonable rad: Here is the blank on the jig: It then just takes 10 minutes or so of a radius sanding block to take off any router stripes: And there we have it - all ready for the next steps, cutting the fret slots : -
You will probably find that what you are seeing here is a plain veneer over the underlying wood. It will be only 0.6mm thick and so can be sanded off to reveal the underlying body wood, which could be basswood, alder or other species. The body will have a number of parts - probably three or more - and I think the veneer is put on to provide a good base for painting, removing issues of the paint sinking into any joins, knots or other issues that could lead to quality rejects or other manufacturing wastage. If you are repainting, then I would leave it on. If you are planning staining or leaving as natural, then you could sand it off - but that is surprisingly hard work and you can't guess what is underneath until it's off. I'm pretty sure I have some shots somewhere of the back of a Squier sanded off and finished in natural. I'll try and find it.
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Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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And the neck has officially begun Two pieces of bookmatched maple (look at that grain at the end!) for stability and walnut centre-splice: -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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This is how the figuring of the back will wrap round to the sides @Maude. The lighter wood will come out more yellow and the darker areas will darken more: The top glue job looks OK: Now - the traditional way of doing this is to glue the back on, do the corner bindings top and back and then do everything else (like bridge clamping, fitting pickups, etc, etc) reaching blind through the soundhole. For Matt's Dreadnought, I proved to myself that you can do the top binding, rout the neck mortice slot, trial fit the neck, fit the internal pickup transducers and everything and THEN glue the back on. And that is a lot, lot easier. So that's also what I will do here. I might do the top binding soonish, but the focus now will be neck and fretboard -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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Thanks! Once the finish has been put on, the bottom half of the sides from the middle stripe to the back will tone nicely with the back (it's cut from the same piece of timber as the back) and - as you say - it will be the same colour both of the rosette and of the headstock plate which have both used offcut from the same part of the timber. -
Finished! A Guitar Bouzouki - (no basses were harmed in the...)
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Unfortunately not. But all being well, I'll have my own Dreadnought acoustic back by then (that Matt Marriott STILL has, even though I built him his own! )