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[quote name='oggiesnr' timestamp='1331651667' post='1576576'] So my mate who's a singer got pee'd off with paying all those (sometimes unreliable) bozos behind her and invested in some professional backing tracks and a decent PA and lights. She now makes a lot more money and can have all the effects and sounds that she wants, all programmed by another mate with a keyboard and a PC. Downside of course is that the drummer, bassist, multi instrumentalist and guitarist are out of a job. I think there's a slippery slope between being a live, gigging band who can be spontaneous and go with the flow, and a singer backed by a file of noughts and ones. Steve [/quote] Ah ha, now we get down to it. Is music making for the musicians / music makers or the punters? For the musicians, fair dos (is that how it's spelt?) but the majority of punters don't know what they're getting and in my opinion are getting ripped off. However, I was in our local a few weeks ago and the act turned up with all the techno bits and pieces as above and she could sing and perform very, very well within 45 minutes the "audience" had reduced from about 100ish to 6. A large group of people left saying "I came to see a band, goin' up the road to see a real one". Landlords comment was "OK, live bands from now on then, for the same fee!" - that's fine with me.

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1331644281' post='1576399'] Assuming that you're not trolling for effect... My parents honestly believed that anything produced with amplified instruments wasn't music and they were by no means alone in this view. Thankfully you'd be hard pressed to find many people who think like that now. The idea that using machines takes something away from the music is just as ridiculous as the idea that using amplification does. A good musician uses all the tools at their disposal and knows how to use them appropriately. I would also argue though, that the PF tribute band should be using musicians rather than machines. As I said it's all about the right tools for the right job. [/quote] Thanks for the PF bit BigRedX and I will admit to a slight amount of trolling, but amplification is just that, amplification. We use amps to increase sound in the same way as an orchestra uses numerous violins (for instance) all playing the same thing at the same time to amplify sound, don't we? Maybe my problem is that I'm a self taught bass player and not a musician.

[quote name='Norris' timestamp='1331643522' post='1576381'] ... and in response to the "backing tracks 'aint music" comments, you try doing a full-on Pink Floyd tribute without any sound effects. Or splitting the mediocre money between the three backing singers, saxophonist, three guitarists, two keyboard players, bass and drums you'd need to reproduce all of those overdubs accurately. [/quote] Tribute act??? Don't get me started on that, either............................ BTW have a look at this: [font=Arial][size=2][url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17350688"]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-17350688[/url][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=2]Wierd.....[/size][/font]

[quote name='BigRedX' timestamp='1331642681' post='1576343'] Here we go then. That sort of attitude simply shows a lack of understanding of the music and acknowledgement that there are situations and genres where click tracks and programmed/recorded backing is perfectly appropriate. As I said in my previous post there's two different kinds of backing tracks - ones that simply replace what musicians would be playing and IMO should be avoid as far as possible. Then there's others where you use the machines for their strengths to do stuff that no musician could or would want to do - complexity and repetition. In previous bands where we have used sequenced or recorded backing as part of the live act and we would get comments from audience members saying that they thought the music would be better with a "real" drummer/keyboard player etc. my response would always be to ask them if they were interested in the job and if so to invite them to the next rehearsal. Unsurprisingly most of them turned down my offer, but one didn't. He turned out to be completely useless at playing the parts that we required despite being a more than competent keyboard player. I hope that he went away with an appreciation of what can be done with machines and when they might actually be more appropriate for the music than a human being. [/quote] If it can't be played on an instrument by a human being it ain't music then, is it?

Just seen this topic. Click track - can't do it and won't do it. Backing tracks - sh*te - refuse to use or work with them. Live music is live music and if you can't reproduce on stage what you do in the studio as live musicians with proper instruments, you are taking money under false pretences IMO. I await being dragged to the stocks........................

[quote name='silddx' timestamp='1331479029' post='1573382'] I am not dyslexic though. Some combinations of letters are confusing to the eye. My user name elicits similar confusion. So many people spell my user name wrongly, 'cvnt' being the most common [/quote] Surely 'cvnt' means Classic Vibe Natural in this context?

[quote name='bertbass' timestamp='1331344799' post='1571798'] Owned an Elgen 100w P.A. amp in the 70s, seriously brilliant amp. I could never afford the bass amp though, but I'd still like one. [b]If it was as good as the P.A. it would be brilliant.[/b] [/quote] They were/are better!

Blimey!

ELGEN 100W Valve

I'm in, gig permitting, and I'll bring my MM Stingray, Mustang and AN Other.

[b]Cast:[/b] Bloke: Jack Black [color=#008000]- don't know him[/color] Bloke 2: Ben Stiller [color=#008000]- don't know him[/color] Dead Bloke: Robert De Niro (in flashback) [color=#008000]- know him[/color] Dead Bloke's daughter: [color=#ff0000]Piper Perabo[/color] [color=#ff0000]- just checked google images, I want to know her![/color] Evil TB-ers: James Woods, James Gandolfini, Steve Buscemi --[color=#008000] don't know them[/color] Good TB-er: Owen Wilson[color=#008000] - don't know him[/color] Buddy Holly: Bilbo [color=#008000]- know him[/color] Queen Victoria: Herself[color=#008000] - know her[/color] I'm old you see, and not up to date on films but this is a great story and best of luck to 1Shot.

My son one used one back in 1995 on a fretless he built. Fantastic woody tone and absolutely ideal straight into an ampeg V4BH (no tone or volume control on the bass itself!). Oh, the other bit is that it is mounted in the preEBMM Stingray sweetspot. Hope it helps

[quote name='KiOgon' timestamp='1330864896' post='1563908'] I play for pleasure at home with an occasional get together with mates of similar age & ilk. Went through many bands - many years ago Self taught since about '64, always picked up tunes by ear, Kaz is still amazed when I hear a song on the radio, grab a bass & start playing along, then when it stops I'll usually carry on with a bit of extra freestyle thrown in! It's not just me is it? Cheerz, John [/quote] No John, it's not just you - sounds like me as well. Playing in one and a half bands at the moment, just noodle around at home playing along with records, occassional jam and recording session with the locals. Groove, space and fun is what it's about, I fink.

I'm in - dependent on the date which hopefully doesn't clash with a gig.

Thanks a million - that has made my month.

Just got Mr. Bruces biography and this pic. of him with Graham Bond (1965ish?) is in it. Can anyone identify the bass he's got here, please?

Brilliant - that chord has always stood the hairs up on the back of my neck since the day the record was released. Forget the name of the chord, who devised, built the bloody thing and recorded it like that in the first place? - That's the genius of it IMHO.

First six chords intro to "The Wind Cries Mary" - Hendrix. Intro to "21st Schizoid Man" - King Crimson. The latter I heard as a playback from the finished master in the studio where it had just been recorded. We, in our band, looked at each other and all had the same thought - "Time to f@*k off home and forget about recording our stuff"

Interesting to see the amps graphic set up in the programme - exact opposite of MOR/AOR modern scoopped poo! A sound with much more bollocks than this modern stuff, innit?

[quote name='JakeBrownBass' timestamp='1329231350' post='1539179'] A WAL with a Warwick neck? Sure it wasn't his Cream Reunion bass?? [/quote] The red one on the sofa? It's his Survivor bass made specially for him by Warwick. Apparently made from some very rare 1960s mahogany according to a mate of mine.

I really enjoyed that great music, basses and everything (and I'm pleased to see that Ginger is still a Grumpy Old Man).

[quote name='skankdelvar' timestamp='1329139885' post='1537639'] * A drummer who plays the groove through the changes, rather than playing a full-on 4 beat fill every four bars * A singer who knows what the words mean and delivers a performance rather than a recitation of the lyrics * A guitarist who plays a solo for the song's benefit rather than his own. And uses fragmented chords rather than full barres. * A harp player who knows more than one position * A bass player who's happy to play roots, doesn't put a climb into every change and a descent into every turnaround * A band that treats each number as a song in its own right, supports the lyrical meaning, shuns virtuosity and aims for danceability. * Dead stops. Especially the tricky ones you can't just count, but where you have to be cued by the singer. [/quote] Skank, this says it all. Thank You,

I'm bemused and I suspect that if he appeared on one todays so called talent shows the kids wouldn't know what hit them.

Yeah - 'sgreat innit? but you can get BBC2 Scotland on Freesat and later on BBC iPlayer. I'm gonna watch it on all three coz I have no recorder........

BBC2 Scotland tomorrow night 21.00hrs programme on Jack Bruce