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Just sold Mike a pedal. Great guy to deal with. Couldn't recommend him highly enough!

Anyone have a preference, hipshot B or hipshot vintage? The hipshot b seems heavier duty...

Interestingly the M500 is almost the same price as the Aguilar TH500...

[quote name='fretmeister' timestamp='1506707614' post='3380613'] The M900 prices have gone up already. [/quote] 16%... Still not sure there's enough of a differential...

[quote name='LewisK1975' timestamp='1506698098' post='3380526'] Admittedly I haven't been through all of the responses on here, but on the recent thread discussing the new iPhone and it's relative cost, I made the point that non-musicians get GAS too, for the latest iPhone / TV / Games Console etc. Basically I was saying that Apple releasing a new iPhone and the so-called 'sheep' queueing around the block for it were no different than Bass players who have a favourite brand 'queueing around the block' for the latest offering from Fender / Darkglass / Insert your favourite manufacturer here'. There were various responses saying how you can't compare Basses / Amps to iPhones, and I was essentially shot down in flames. Fine, it's an open forum and I'm perfectly willing & happy to listen to others points of view. So here we now have a thread where Bass players are justifying the cost of the new Darkglass cabs by comparing them to how Apple (amongst others) market and sell their products. You couldn't make it up! [/quote] I certainly wouldn't shoot you down... I think it's exactly the way Darkglass market stuff. Sure amps, cabs and pedals aren't exactly lifestyle products (no really!), but they big up all the aesthetic qualities of the product and most reviews mention how good they look. Can't deny they're great looking products, but again you're paying through the nose so they'd better be.

[quote name='dannybuoy' timestamp='1506690766' post='3380460'] Quite, but I find all this vitriol rather odd when there are no similar threads ripping into Aguilar, Mesa, Glockenklang, Vanderkley etc, whose amps cost even more? [/quote] True, not sure what it is about the whole DG PR machine that gets me so annoyed...

[quote name='Kev' timestamp='1506686482' post='3380416'] Judging by the reaction by some in this thread, you would think Darkglass was a subsidiary of Barefaced... In current market, I don't believe any Darkglass product is 'overpriced' and comments about how much it cost to develop are just daft, simple truth we have NO idea. The head is a brilliant price for what it is and has remained remarkably stable considering Brexit and the GBP situation, something had to give eventually and their way of dealing with it is to release a cheaper version, which is fair enough. Again, cab prices are in line with other 'boutique' builders and until stats are released and they are heard, how can anyone judge whether they are worth Berg prices or not? We do love to hate on success, don't we? [/quote] I don't hate success at all, but I hate indefensible, emperor's new clothes marketing BS, which really is what the big hoopla release party at Chicago Music Exchange was. IMHO. The cabs had already been seen at NAMM ffs. The only new product was the amp, and nobody seems to be talking much about it at least not to the same extent as the cabs... Amp-wise (looking at Thomann as a quick example) Ampeg, EBS, Markbass, Ashdown, Hartke, GK, Tech 21, Fender, TC and Warwick can all do a 500w bass head in the £500 region, some [u][i][b]significantly[/b][/i][/u] below. What makes the M500 so special that I should buy it at a premium? While I liked the M900 I had quite a lot (and the Vintage Ultra I'e just sold), there's no doubt that in the value for money stakes Darkglass are in danger of disappearing up their own bottoms.

The Perrier example is almost word for word the same story as the Magners cider story my brother's been telling me for 15 years. "We'll up the price and convince people to drink cider with ice in".

[quote name='jay-syncro' timestamp='1506518953' post='3379299'] Andertons Prices: M900 - £795 M500 - £749 ....Wtf? [/quote] No doubt they'll sort this out... By hiking the price of the M900 most likely... I think if the 500 watt amp could have been brought in around the £500 mark they'd have made a killing. As it is I don't see where this is pitched exactly. As has been pointed out already it adds a headphone out, which is kind of pointless without an aux in, and fixes an issue in the M900. Maybe in true Apple style they'll say that's a feature rather than fixing a f**k up?

I really liked thee M900 I owned and would still have it if I hadn't decided to switch to in-ears. It's so much more than just a distortion unit with an amp attached. The 500 watt may interest me even just as a preamp if the price is right, or if I wait for used one. Have to say I am slightly surprised about the big hooha for such a mediocre release though. Everybody knew about the cabs, so really the amp was all it was about and it's hardly breaking new ground in the market, although I would imagine they'll sell a ton of them! I think Doug at Darkglass is taking a leaf out of the Apple playboy. Lots of big noises over baby steps in "development", if you can call them that. But people will suck it up and, as with Apple, will pay through the nose for it!

Think there was a global blend option on the B3 but not on the MS60B but I may be wrong on that...

No looper, drum sounds, USB audio interface, headphone output on the MS60B. Different switching options, obviously more limited on the MS60B. Recent MS60B firmware updates have added loads of effects to the MS60B. There's probably more but that's what comes immediately to mind...